[baargle]

Originally Posted by xxxblitzxxx finally i was hoping an answer like this now we can unlock a wider range for ps3 hope the new cfw will be release this coming hliday by the way tnx for the explantion =)

Except he's completely wrong.

Apparently since 3.60, the keys have been moved out of METLDR.

[Buggerlugz]

Originally Posted by fouzi y math is still explaning how to use this thing on TWITTER ? didn t he leave the scene ?

My point exactly, Sony isn't bothered if he produces the package to extract the per console key, or tells everyone how to do it, they'll have him anyway.

Its obvious he can talk the talk, but can he walk the walk?

[carldenning]

Originally Posted by baargle Except he's completely wrong. Apparently since 3.60, the keys have been moved out of METLDR.

but we dont need 3.56 and upwards keys

[baargle]

Originally Posted by carldenning but we dont need 3.56 and upwards keys

Do we not?

[carldenning]

Originally Posted by baargle Do we not?

think about if your on 3.55 and u install 3.60 how would the ps3 know that the 3.60 fw is real and accepted it , our playstation can decpye anyfirmware becuse of the keys we got on the ps3 but we need the root key to get it . so then we can decypte eg 3.73 fw on a pc using the keys we find on the ps3 . so then we do our magic and sign it back with 3.55 keys . somethink along the lines of that , so no 3.60+ keys needed , but only people on 3.55 fw can install it becuse on 3.56fw and above the 3.55 keys are black listed ,

hope u get what i mean .

if anyone else think im wrong then please correct me

[laurorual]

Originally Posted by Master_Teeee Okay guys, just registered to post this... Metldr (meta loader) is one of the lowest level functions of the P$3. It is a per console, unique, hardware based code... Meaning the one for your console, is only for your console. Each one has its own. I will refer to this as your 'hard key'. Now, if you remember, back before geohot got sued, he released a set of keys, most important of which (for all your pirates out there), was the appldr (application loader) key. These are public keys, meaning that every P$3 made uses the SAME keys... This is how your P$3 decides whether the .pup (a firmware file [3.55 for example]) is genuine, or fake. These keys are decided by software, and therefore don't physically exist. This means that they can be updated whenever $ony see's fit, and is the reason modern games won't run on old firmwares. Now, if you also cast your mind back, you'll remember that when geohot was about to get sued, he posted a comment similar to, "So no one STILL knows how I got the metldr keys???? ". He mentioned this, because if the metldr encryption key is known, then the soft keys can be decrypted. If the soft keys can be decrypted you can exploit the appldr, and have all your backup managers etc, on any firmware. What makes this metldr key so special, is that, unlike the 'soft' keys, no update can be brought out to modify your metldr key. And, so long as you always know your metldr key (which you can do now), you will ALWAYS know your 'soft' keys, which are what 99% of you are here to try and find out. Put simply: metldr key = soft keys = cfw This is why it's taken so long to get past 3.55. Geohot released the 'soft' keys, using his own metldr exploit (one would imagine was very similar, if not identical to this piece of C), but never released the method with which to obtain the metldr key itself. So the soft keys released could be updated, and, as we all know they were, and the system re-secured... Now however, we have full access to decrypt the soft keys, effectively continuing where geohot left off. I hope that this makes sense to at least a couple of you, and sheds some light as to what this means for the scene, and also why people like math and geo were so reluctant to release these exploits. Peace...

ok, now we can get the soft keys to get to a new cfw
so why is that hard to get that new cfw?

[hitamonkey]

Originally Posted by laurorual ok, now we can get the soft keys to get to a new cfw so why is that hard to get that new cfw?

that's what i don't understand. i have read that lunuxx already dumped a key, so on so forth...

but from all the news recently, all i have been able to gather is once we have that key then we're sorted.
i by no means understand the technical side of things and am not pushing for a release, just trying to gain some knowledge..

so.. if there are already cfws... now we have a key, why can't another be made already?
even if we have to make our own dump and stuff that's cool with me, would love to get more involved, but hey, just wondering what else we actually are waiting for?

[laurorual]

Originally Posted by hitamonkey that's what i don't understand. i have read that lunuxx already dumped a key, so on so forth... but from all the news recently, all i have been able to gather is once we have that key then we're sorted. i by no means understand the technical side of things and am not pushing for a release, just trying to gain some knowledge.. so.. if there are already cfws... now we have a key, why can't another be made already? even if we have to make our own dump and stuff that's cool with me, would love to get more involved, but hey, just wondering what else we actually are waiting for?

thats exacly what i was thinking about

[carldenning]

Originally Posted by hitamonkey that's what i don't understand. i have read that lunuxx already dumped a key, so on so forth... but from all the news recently, all i have been able to gather is once we have that key then we're sorted. i by no means understand the technical side of things and am not pushing for a release, just trying to gain some knowledge.. so.. if there are already cfws... now we have a key, why can't another be made already? even if we have to make our own dump and stuff that's cool with me, would love to get more involved, but hey, just wondering what else we actually are waiting for?

i think we got to learn how to use the root keys becuse its diffent to eg 3.55 public keys and private key

[hitamonkey]

Originally Posted by carldenning i think we got to learn how to use the root keys becuse its diffent to eg 3.55 public keys and private key

oh ok so it's just as simple as..

we know how to get them but not what to do with them?