[Nichibotsu]

Originally Posted by nevik I have done this a few time with a friend who owns a repair shop. He uses a heat gun like http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/WEL...NE5?Pid=search We did find that the power source was the reason for a lot of the older fats overheating. We got a temp of 115c one day on a power source. So double check to see that the power source isn't going bad. I replaced the power source with the last reflow on my cecha and it hasn't overheated since.

yet again despite the PSU being hot, it has been replaced on latter models... Yeah, in the first BC models that may have been an issue, it is no more...

[Bounkass]

Originally Posted by KillerBug Can't it be both? Can't I hate them for making terrible products with terrible support? Seriously...I got a few limited edition techno albums that only came on 45 a couple years back and needed a player...the sony player I bought couldn't play brand new records...I bought a bottom-of-the-line Technics to replace it and they played with the same fidelity of a CD.

Sure it can be both, but when was this? I find it hard to believe that they still make rubbish products today othewise they woulden't of existed anymore...

Originally Posted by Nichibotsu no, i meant giving up about the PSU stuff : ) anyway, as for the twisting... the motherboard does bend, but that's not the cause, or doing a reflow the bendind/twisting should worsen, shouldn't it? you heat the mobo way higher than how much the chips can. If that was the case, the chips would detach completely, as the central beads would not reache the motherboard bending. Unleaded solder is what has thermal expansion, and having the metals not mixed well they expand with different ratios, causing the bead to crack. imagine a small part of copper inside the stain, stain expand a lot less than copper. Now the copper gets heated, and it expands inside the bead... Got what i mean? : )

Oh! Haha, well, I'm convinced. Replacing the PSU worked in mine, and many other PS3's that came back AFTER repair...

Originally Posted by KillerBug The MB does flex slightly...I would not call it "twisting", more like a very slight parabolic effect. Ignoring the very good points about unleaded solder that Nichibotsu made, leaded solder has one other big advantage...it is flexible. Even when the board warps slightly, leaded solder doesn't crack.

True. I never knew leaded solder was flexible. How is that? I mean, as it solidifies, it gets hard, no?

Originally Posted by KillerBug NOTHING that goes into space uses unleaded solder. The temperatures change significantly...and unleaded solder wouldn't last a week. RoHS is a load of wank...what exactly is the health risk of having solder inside a plastic case? Surely it isn't a landfill issue...the environmentalist crowd cheered when those billions of CRT displays hit the landfills with pounds of lead in each. Then again, those morons cheered for the Prius and the super-toxic battery packs that make it more damaging to the earth than a Hummer.

Haha epic! So true, lol!

Originally Posted by nevik I have done this a few time with a friend who owns a repair shop. He uses a heat gun like http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/WEL...NE5?Pid=search We did find that the power source was the reason for a lot of the older fats overheating. We got a temp of 115c one day on a power source. So double check to see that the power source isn't going bad. I replaced the power source with the last reflow on my cecha and it hasn't overheated since.

See! Someone else satisfied about replacing the PSU. Works great, eh?

Originally Posted by Nichibotsu yet again despite the PSU being hot, it has been replaced on latter models... Yeah, in the first BC models that may have been an issue, it is no more...

Yes, later models. But not the earlier fat models. Those where the first PS3's to get YLoD.

Come to think of it, if the later models with cooler PSU's also got the YLoD, it must've also been something else... And I find it REALLY hard to believe it's the FW, haha.

[Nichibotsu]

Originally Posted by Bounkass Sure it can be both, but when was this? I find it hard to believe that they still make rubbish products today othewise they woulden't of existed anymore... Oh! Haha, well, I'm convinced. Replacing the PSU worked in mine, and many other PS3's that came back AFTER repair... True. I never knew leaded solder was flexible. How is that? I mean, as it solidifies, it gets hard, no? Haha epic! So true, lol! See! Someone else satisfied about replacing the PSU. Works great, eh? Yes, later models. But not the earlier fat models. Those where the first PS3's to get YLoD. Come to think of it, if the later models with cooler PSU's also got the YLoD, it must've also been something else... And I find it REALLY hard to believe it's the FW, haha.

i refuse to go further...

[KillerBug]

Originally Posted by Bounkass True. I never knew leaded solder was flexible. How is that? I mean, as it solidifies, it gets hard, no?

As far as metals go, lead is very soft...and it isn't an alloy, so when it flexes it doesn't get damaged as bad.

Sony has a good reputation because of marketing, and because of past successes like the Walkman and the VCR. There was a time when they were a symbol of consumer rights and quality...they even went and got laws passed to allow people to copy VHS tapes and record stuff off of TV. That isn't the Sony that exists today...they keep the reputation with some people simply because they have the same name, but management and goals are the core of a company, and those have all changed. They have realized that there is really nothing they can do to damage their reputation with 95% of consumers, and that they have already lost their reputation with the other 5%...so they do as they please without worry. There really isn't anyone can do about it other than to warn friends, family, and fellow forum users...so I do that, I sell fan controllers to take a tiny bite out of their sales, and you can be d**m sure that I am done buying from them.

[pereb27]

Originally Posted by nevik I have done this a few time with a friend who owns a repair shop. He uses a heat gun like http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/WEL...NE5?Pid=search We did find that the power source was the reason for a lot of the older fats overheating. We got a temp of 115c one day on a power source. So double check to see that the power source isn't going bad. I replaced the power source with the last reflow on my cecha and it hasn't overheated since.

Holy crap, I knew the ZSSR5391A PSU would get very hot, but I didn't think it'd get THAT hot.
If you have one, I definitely recommend replacing with a APS-226 or APS-231 PSU (only use 231 on consoles made from January 2007). APS-231 is the coolest, but can give some problems on the 2006 models. 226 runs hotter, but definitely not 115c, I can still touch a 226 running for hours.

[KillerBug]

Yeah...115C is crazy hot...but that is a failed power supply. Sure, it might still be putting out power, but if it is running above the rated operating temperatures for the parts inside, it is failed. Those old PSUs do run hot normally...but not that hot.

[choplifter]

I used this guide and my PS3 works perfectly now!

thank you!!!!!!

[Rautz]

Thanks very much for the guide Nichibotsu. My PS3 is back to life again. i better stop what Im doing and do a fan mod though since I cant hear my fan running. Thanks again, it actually felt like an accomplishment doing a reflow for the first time and having success lol

[Nichibotsu]

i'm happy to be helpful : )

[nzie]

Originally Posted by Nichibotsu i'm happy to be helpful : )

will this fix rsod?