[VIRGIN KLM]

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin The thing is, that you and all the others don't seem capable of understanding, is that this is a PS3 News Site, so we post PS3 news.

I couldn't agree more with that but there is an obvious line saperating what is News and what is a Rumor(or a simmilar term to rumor).
What saperates them is the amount/portion of info provided worth for further investigation.
With zero info provided in the post, just because is Mathieulh does not make it automatically News, it's not a case of debate, it's a fact.
Let's say that it could be a personal tease he does on the person who leaked his metldr hack, or it could be in an other timming an Aprils fool joke.
You have to understand that it technically differs to nothing than being trash.

[stuck?]

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin The thing is, that you and all the others don't seem capable of understanding, is that this is a PS3 News Site, so we post PS3 news. Now the difference between you and Math, is that he is a scene developer with years of history, where as you do not, so that is why we wouldn't post anything belonging to you. Simple..... Now we are going to post what news we like and want, regardless if you and the other "yes voters" like it or not, so this poll was a pointless waste of time.

Originally Posted by Pirate Maybe if you were an actual dev, well known in the scene, and had a reputation.

Greg, I'm more than sure I understand. Sure he's done a lot for the scene. Yes he's a talented dev. Im not bashing him? I'm not trying to fight you. I'm just giving my opinion. I know you know what an opinion is. You're a smart man. I understand perfectly that it may be "ps3 news" but, it's just a rumour at this point. Rumour news. For all I know, and it certainly looks this way, it is real stuff, but, there's no PROOF to show that this is in fact 100% true. Isn't this what everybody was bashing DH and Jaicrab for?

I'm not arguing what you want to put as news or whatnot. This is Pirate's site, you are staff, Im nobody, I don't give a crap.

My point is this. nothing was proven. Maybe I do dev crap on the side, using a pseudonym. Obviously I dont. But, nothing was actually proven, just that this man is stating that he did something. Something that anybody else can state.

this "news" just created hours and hours and hours worth of drama. With nothing proven. But yes, he is driving the other devs in the scene to do things, and provide them with information that they need.

It's not needed to attack somebody based on an opinion. I'm not attacking any member, math himself, or the site. I just stated my opinion. But I'll stop giving my input as whenever somebody has a different opinion or thought ab out something they tend to get flamed for one reason or another.

Run it how you wish, really doesn't bother me. Not like I'll jump this ship and head to any other scene site. This is the best one out there, but I find it harder and harder to give an opinion or contribute anything because everybody's opinions get shot down.

Back to lurking Have a good afternoon

Originally Posted by VIRGIN KLM I couldn't agree more with that but there is an obvious line saperating what is News and what is a Rumor(or a simmilar term to rumor). What saperates them is the amount/portion of info provided worth for further investigation. With zero info provided in the post, just because is Mathieulh does not make it automatically News, it's not a case of debate, it's a fact. Let's say that it could be a personal tease he does on the person who leaked his metldr hack, or it could be in an other timming an Aprils fool joke. You have to understand that it technically differs to nothing than being trash.

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[Buggerlugz]

Originally Posted by stuck? Does this mean that if I claim to have broken the 3.73 crypto, and i DONT give ACTUAL proof, does that mean i will get front paged? Because, I said I have done it, and I made a picture showing I did, but I didn't provide proof. That doesnt really seem right.

I'm so glad someone on here is on the same page as me. Math might have history as a dev, but ANYONE could use a DOS box echo script, and make out they've cracked Lv0.

Its laughable IMHO that just because its Math it's taken at face value. If it'd been anyone else it quite simply wouldn't have made the front page news.

The stark reality of this obviously goes completely over the head of the vast majority of this sites admins.

[ps3hacker12]

Im sitting here readin the thread think, wtf is going on? All this ho-ha over something that is managed well enough?

Go build a house for the poor or spend your time doing a sponsored run or something. The fact of the matter is people like me don't mind reading the odd rumour and prefer the way the website is run now.

The way your saying the site should run Is equally full of holes...


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[Pirate]

Originally Posted by Buggerlugz I'm so glad someone on here is on the same page as me. Math might have history as a dev, but ANYONE could use a DOS box echo script, and make out they've cracked Lv0. Its laughable IMHO that just because its Math it's taken at face value. If it'd been anyone else it quite simply wouldn't have made the front page news. The stark reality of this obviously goes completely over the head of the vast majority of this sites admins.

Yes I understand that the proof provided my @mathieulh can be easily "faked".

Honestly at this point its down to if you think @mathieulh is full of crap, or he is a legitimate developer/hacker. Its not hard to figure out where I stand on it.

Chances are the news won't apply to most general users, but we do have more than "noobs" stalking these pages. The point of bringing it as news is to inform people of what is going on around the scene.

Someone can be a completely prime and talented hacker/dev that is well away from the "underground" scene (where stories like this are always circulating away from public eyes), and this news story could lead them down the right path.

[Annelies]

Somewhere deep in this video lies a bare similarity to the ongoing situation we have before us. I can't exactly put my finger on it...

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[KillerBug]

I can understand wanting to post rumors because, in your opinion, they are news worthy, but why not at least call them rumors? The article that this thread is obviously referring to contained this line:

...proving that he has decrypted LV0 @ FW 3.73. This of course means CFW up to the latest PS3 firmware!

...but when the next line is:

By the way, I won’t be posting keys, I won’t be posting dumps and I won’t be saying how it was done, time to work gentlemen.

How does that translate to a new CFW? How has he released proof of anything? It is a rumor. If you believe him, then it is a rumor you believe. If you don't believe him, then it is a rumor you don't believe. It is not fact because there is nothing resembling proof...but it was reported as a fact.

[Señor_Striatum]

I have to agree with killerbug. The metldr exploit was news worthy and was sufficient proof of concept but the rumor prefix would be entirely appropriate in the supposed lv0 decryption which lacks proof. Yes he is a known dev and although I personally do not agree with feeding his ego i can understand why his claims are making ps3 news. But it is entirely misleading to represent his tweet as fact based off the evidence provided. I am all for encouraging dev productivity and have thanked math for his contributions when he has contributed such as the tut in metldr, but I refuse to credit him as being the first to hack lv0 with this lack of evidence and I'm not entirely sure why this site feels the need to do so.

[stuck?]

[Disclaimer] The thoughts, opinions, and comments in this post are of my own mind and no one else. I may use the term "we're" for a grammatical/dramatic effect to more so get my message across. My words are in no way that of any other member of this forum, unless any other member possibly agrees with what I may have to say. [/disclaimer]

Originally Posted by Pirate Honestly at this point its down to if you think @mathieulh is full of crap, or he is a legitimate developer/hacker. Its not hard to figure out where I stand on it.

It's not hard to see where a lot of people stand. But for myself and a few other members of the forum, I think we're being lumped in with the first point you mention ("...if you think mathieulh is full of crap) unjustly; we're kind of on the fence between KNOWING what mathieulh has GIVEN and DONE for the scene & the fact about this news/mathieulh being fake or "full of crap" as you put it. (I'm using the term "we're" just for dramatic effect.)

I don't think he's full of crap at all. I'm more than willing to bet the guy has a lifetime or fews worth of knowledge that I can't even begin to comprehend.

Originally Posted by KillerBug I can understand wanting to post rumors because, in your opinion, they are news worthy, but why not at least call them rumors? The article that this thread is obviously referring to contained this line: ...proving that he has decrypted LV0 @ FW 3.73. This of course means CFW up to the latest PS3 firmware! ...but when the next line is: By the way, I won’t be posting keys, I won’t be posting dumps and I won’t be saying how it was done, time to work gentlemen. How does that translate to a new CFW? How has he released proof of anything? It is a rumor. If you believe him, then it is a rumor you believe. If you don't believe him, then it is a rumor you don't believe. It is not fact because there is nothing resembling proof...but it was reported as a fact.

That's exactly the point that I think few of us are trying to make. Thank you KillerBug.

I'm not doubting this man at all. I will doubt people like DH and the likes because of their past gimmicks and non-releases. Although I will give them an ever so slight amount of props that they finally managed to release something, albeit kind of funny one. Good for the already on 3.56 users If I read correctly? It's nothing like the Math has done though. The DH/JFW was labeled as rumours, but they put something out. (I am by no way saying that mathieulh has NOT DONE ANYTHING. Please do not take my words out of context.)

Many people saw the news, automatically assume CFW will come out, realize nothing happened (on stage anyway, as for backstage though....), and then just feel trolled. Put yourself in the n00b's or newb's shoes. You see news like this, you feel quite elated, you read "This of course means CFW up to the latest PS3 firmware!" and then the whole forum blows up with the whole fake/rumour thing. They don't know any better, of course they gonna blow up and flame.

Maybe I'm just saying, be prepared for an onslaught of drama when it comes to Math and news.

Again, I know what the guy can do. Do I think he deserves to be eternally praised? No. Do I think he should be repeatedly flamed and harassed? Absolutely not. I'm in the middle of everything.

Anyways, I just wanted to get that off my chest. I'm going to refrain from this topic or any similar topics in the future. I don't want to add more drama to the forums or put any drama between myself and the staff. I do like it here

[DrWho198]

Every big news Channel gathers information. This information is that checked and if it is valid it becomes news. But sometimes even big news channels can not verify the news, however if the source of the news is a source with a big reputation then that news will still be spread. The only difference is that that news will be spread as rumor or with enough detail to let the public know that it isn't verified.

Now to get to the point; Not talking about Math's social skills, Math is a reliable source of information. He did bigger things in this hacking community then Geo did. I'm not saying that I would act the same as he does because thats not the point here. But he is a good source. If he has such big news without proving it then it would be bad reporting not to share that with the public. Don't forget that the news isn't that he did it, but the news is that it IS possible to do it.

Secondly, everyone states that he didn't prove it. Well he did prove it, but no one can verify it YET. At the bottom of that useless pic there is some vital information that can only be gathered if you succeeded with decrypting. None of us knows if that information is correct. But as soon as someone else succeeds in decrypting it then it will be proven. Till then it will stay unproven information that was provided by a good source.

Now finally. I don't get why people who hardly ever post, or who just joined started complaining about the information that they find here. Why did they all come here? Because ps3hax is a reliable news source. If that's why they came here then why don't they trust the judgment of the people who are running it?

In these cases there is always someone who needs to make decisions and there will always be people who do not agree. People have the right to give there opinion but that doesn't mean there should be complete anarchy.


Now a final word about this whole unneeded drama. I personally believe that most of the people who don't want to acknowledge this information as most likely true, reject the information out of personal hatred against Math. I'm not going to tell anyone what they should or should not feel. But it's not because you disagree with Math's behavior that you should ignore his information.

What those people should keep in mind is, that probably every release out there that has been made the past few weeks are probably based on Math's tools. And if those groups know how to do it, then why didn't they release the information?

I'm not trying to talk anyone around here, but please calm down. This used to be a quiet community.


btw: I'm still not voting :P I would only vote if it said ("Only proven news or news from proven reliable sources should be spread")