[KillerBug]

That's a relief! I was worried there for a second that Sony would patch it before it was released.

[Cheesethief]

Originally Posted by <GEEK> I still don't see a substantial difference that is worth all the drama. If you have been following the scene, you should know to wait by now if you want any hope of home brew/etc on recent ofw's. Most "noobs" who come looking for a jb/cfw will most likely come asking if there is a jb/cfw for the latest, greatest ofw, and I give this jb a very little life span before Sony patches it (based on prior experiences). I'm not trying to shatter the hopes of anyone wanting a long lasting home brew solution, I'm just stating my personal opinion on the matter. Sony may be a lot of things, but they are not complete incompetent morons.

Sony cannot patch it unless the person updates, so if they know to expect something, they will not update. I have followed the PSP scene long before (and saw it stagnate with devs that were only there for attention before finally getting out of it and having actual progress) the PS3 scene and the resemblance is striking.

True the amount of noobs will never end. Once you take one out, two more sign up to take that ones place.

[<GEEK>]

Originally Posted by Cheesethief Sony cannot patch it unless the person updates, so if they know to expect something, they will not update.

Nothing changes, leak or not. That is what I was getting at in my original post. If it's leaked, they know to expect something. If it is not leaked, which means Sony is unaware of it (and therefor cant patch it at least until it is released), people can become aware of it and "know to expect it" as you said. Nothing changes.

[Señor_Striatum]

Originally Posted by <GEEK> Personally, I don't see a difference in this being leaked or not unless KaKaRoTo is just after the fame of releasing a jb for 3.73(+) firmware. Having it released now (completed by someone else due to a leak) or in a few weeks by KaKaRoTo himself will not change the fact that Sony will patch it if possible with a future firmware update... nullifying this entire ordeal either way. No matter when it is released, homebrew can be made possible on 3.73, and the only ones a leak (or early release) would affect are those who upgrade beyond 3.73 ofw if Sony were to patch it. All the drama surrounding this is ridiculous...

I agree with what you have to say almost entirely with one exception. Sony knows something is up with 3.73 so of course they are working their asses off to anticipate the hack. So in a sense yes "having it released now (completed by someone else due to a leak) or in a few weeks by KaKaRoTo himself will not change the fact that Sony will patch it if possible with a future firmware update." What is affected by the leak is Developers outlook on the scene and the overall integrity of the scene.

These developers aren't working for money so why shouldn't they get the fame? Dont get me wrong I agree that for the end user, and in some instances the scene, who releases it doesnt matter. But the way I see it would you rather have a talented optimistic dev contributing to the scene or a talented spiteful dev not contributing to the scene. I think intellectual property should be preserved especially for people contributing in their free time. We have seen both kinds of devs and honestly which do you think is going to actually bring something to the table? Two weeks is nothing when you see things from this perspective.

I am not trying to start anything and it may be that you already had this in mind but was just addressing Sony's involvment, but I think a leak would have been very disrespectful and it isn't good for anyone in the long run.

[<GEEK>]

Originally Posted by Señor_Striatum I agree with what you have to say almost entirely with one exception. Sony knows something is up with 3.73 so of course they are working their asses off to anticipate the hack. So in a sense yes "having it released now (completed by someone else due to a leak) or in a few weeks by KaKaRoTo himself will not change the fact that Sony will patch it if possible with a future firmware update." What is affected by the leak is Developers outlook on the scene and the overall integrity of the scene. These developers aren't working for money so why shouldn't they get the fame? Dont get me wrong I agree that for the end user, and in some instances the scene, who releases it doesnt matter. But the way I see it would you rather have a talented optimistic dev contributing to the scene or a talented spiteful dev not contributing to the scene. I think intellectual property should be preserved especially for people contributing in their free time. We have seen both kinds of devs and honestly which do you think is going to actually bring something to the table? Two weeks is nothing when you see things from this perspective. I am not trying to start anything and it may be that you already had this in mind but was just addressing Sony's involvment, but I think a leak would have been very disrespectful and it isn't good for anyone in the long run.

I don't really disagree with anything you said. I've been coding for almost 15 years now, have avidly followed many scenes, and to me, if you are in it for the fame or the money, you might as well just develop things for personal use with no intentions of releasing anything.

Yes there is a sense of gratitude when something you create/release is used, wanted, and praised by thousands of people all over the world. The thing is, most people already know this is AND always will be KaKaRoTo's jb method... and any leak using this method would surely surface as using an exploit he originally founded, and rightfully, he will gain the praise in the end anyways.

[Señor_Striatum]

Originally Posted by <GEEK> I don't really disagree with anything you said. I've been coding for almost 15 years now, have avidly followed many scenes, and to me, if you are in it for the fame or the money, you might as well just develop things for personal use with no intentions of releasing anything. Yes there is a sense of gratitude when something you create/release is used, wanted, and praised by thousands of people all over the world. The thing is, most people already know this is AND always will be KaKaRoTo's jb method... and any leak using this method would surely surface as using an exploit he originally founded, and rightfully, he will gain the praise in the end anyways.

Touché that is a valid point my friend. Regardless, I am just glad it wasn't leaked on account of his reaction to the leak, although I guess in the end it kinda doesn't matter since he will be credited with discovering the exploit and in all reality Devs would be working on it during his vacation. That would be the end of his trust in collaborations though which would surely dent progress, not that it would have to be this way if KaKaRoTo didn't want to be the one to discover AND further develop the exploit which I suppose is the case since he did not release the details of the exploit yet.