[r.storm85]

Damn this time..light years stuff is a total mindf***. Really interesting though.

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[KillerBug]

Originally Posted by TizzyT Hmm I think you have it backward. In an experiment using 2 atomic clocks one on the ground and on in a plane, while both clocks started at exactly the same time. When the plane landed the clock was faster then the atomic clock that was on the ground so in turn should the things outside be slowed down???

That probably had something to do with the effects of gravity throughout the flight.

The theory is that the speed of light cannot be broken, and as such, the universe will slow things inside a fast moving object to prevent breaches. For instance, if you were on a spaceship going 100MPH slower than the speed of light and you fired a gun towards the front of the ship, that bullet would go faster than the speed of light...but since this is impossible, we know that time would be slowed so that the bullet could not go faster than 99.9999999MPH.

http://metaresearch.org/cosmology/gps-relativity.asp

[TizzyT]

Originally Posted by KillerBug That probably had something to do with the effects of gravity throughout the flight. The theory is that the speed of light cannot be broken, and as such, the universe will slow things inside a fast moving object to prevent breaches. For instance, if you were on a spaceship going 100MPH slower than the speed of light and you fired a gun towards the front of the ship, that bullet would go faster than the speed of light...but since this is impossible, we know that time would be slowed so that the bullet could not go faster than 99.9999999MPH. http://metaresearch.org/cosmology/gps-relativity.asp

Well its still not proven but have you heard of the neutrinos, lol. They apparently got it to go faster then light. Also the speed of the bullet is not a constant while light speed is constant(apparently).

[KillerBug]

Originally Posted by TizzyT Well its still not proven but have you heard of the neutrinos, lol. They apparently got it to go faster then light. Also the speed of the bullet is not a constant while light speed is constant(apparently).

Certain particles contain internal functions; we can see things happening within them at a certain rate of speed. When we accelerate these particles to the edge of the speed of light, we can see that these internal functions take much longer from out perspective.

As to the airplane, I just realized...if it was flying against the rotation of the earth then the plane was going slower than the ground; not faster.

[TizzyT]

Originally Posted by KillerBug Certain particles contain internal functions; we can see things happening within them at a certain rate of speed. When we accelerate these particles to the edge of the speed of light, we can see that these internal functions take much longer from out perspective. As to the airplane, I just realized...if it was flying against the rotation of the earth then the plane was going slower than the ground; not faster.

LOL huh...I mean i don't think rotation of the earth will have a significat effect on atomic clocks, maybe wrong. I'll go look for the experiment to source.

PS: wow my memory must be super bad at this point as I just looked up the experiment I was talking about and it states that the time in the plane is slower....hmm how the hell did I get faster from???

Source: http://www.alternativephysics.org/bo...xperiments.htm

also read that this methods measures were invalidated....

[KillerBug]

Originally Posted by TizzyT LOL huh...I mean i don't think rotation of the earth will have a significat effect on atomic clocks, maybe wrong. I'll go look for the experiment to source. PS: wow my memory must be super bad at this point as I just looked up the experiment I was talking about and it states that the time in the plane is slower....hmm how the hell did I get faster from??? Source: http://www.alternativephysics.org/bo...xperiments.htm also read that this methods measures were invalidated....

Granted...it is not proven, but nothing in science is ever really proven. This theory does have a lot of evidence to back it.

The universe can be crazy to think about...both movement and mass effect time...our entire solar system could last a shorter time than it takes some alien on a distant space ship to eat lunch.

[japsander]

Originally Posted by TizzyT Well its still not proven but have you heard of the neutrinos, lol. They apparently got it to go faster then light. Also the speed of the bullet is not a constant while light speed is constant(apparently).

They rechecked the neutrino data and came to the conclusion they had it wrong

[TizzyT]

Originally Posted by japsander They rechecked the neutrino data and came to the conclusion they had it wrong

Hmm I didn't know they invalidated the "SECOND" experiment as well. Do you just mean the first experiment or have the second one been debunked as well? last I checked the second one has the sensors closer together to get more accurate readings and to nullify some outside interference and was said to have come back with the same results as the first one claimed.

[KillerBug]

Originally Posted by TizzyT Hmm I didn't know they invalidated the "SECOND" experiment as well. Do you just mean the first experiment or have the second one been debunked as well? last I checked the second one has the sensors closer together to get more accurate readings and to nullify some outside interference and was said to have come back with the same results as the first one claimed.

It hasn't been invalidated, but it hasn't been independently confirmed either.

One of the more reasonable possibilities that has been postulated is that the theoretical laws don't actually say that nothing can go faster than the speed of light. They say that there is a theoretical limit to how fast something can move. Theory has generally been that the speed limit is the speed of light since nothing had ever been seen to go faster than light in a vacuum...but it is entirely possible that neutrinos can go faster than the speed of light, and thus they go at the universal speed limit, or even that some unknown thing (maybe dark matter) goes even faster, and thus that would be the universal speed limit. This would actually fit into existing theories reasonably well, as neutrinos have less activity inside of them than photons, and if you go back to the space ship and a gun example, it would make sense that they could go faster because of this. This is of course argued because of 1987A; but there were a lot of other things effecting the particles from supernova 1987A so it isn't the most concrete argument.

[TizzyT]

Originally Posted by KillerBug It hasn't been invalidated, but it hasn't been independently confirmed either. One of the more reasonable possibilities that has been postulated is that the theoretical laws don't actually say that nothing can go faster than the speed of light. They say that there is a theoretical limit to how fast something can move. Theory has generally been that the speed limit is the speed of light since nothing had ever been seen to go faster than light in a vacuum...but it is entirely possible that neutrinos can go faster than the speed of light, and thus they go at the universal speed limit, or even that some unknown thing (maybe dark matter) goes even faster, and thus that would be the universal speed limit. This would actually fit into existing theories reasonably well, as neutrinos have less activity inside of them than photons, and if you go back to the space ship and a gun example, it would make sense that they could go faster because of this. This is of course argued because of 1987A; but there were a lot of other things effecting the particles from supernova 1987A so it isn't the most concrete argument.

As I remember it the supernova was detect by NASA before the supernova was visible on their telescopes. They used a jell like substance to catch some particle that came from the supernova and that was how NASA was able to detect the supernova before it was visible....leading to the conclusion that the particles that NASA caught are faster then the speed of light.