[KillerBug]

Originally Posted by General Plot Consider that in previous consoles, the standard was 32-64 MB system memory, with their GPU's only having 4-16 MB video memory available. The PS3 has 256 MB system and 256 MB video memory, which is 4-8x more system memory and 16-64x video memory than consoles in the previous generation. I'd say that's a pretty significant step up.

The console before the PS3 was the 360...it had a processor that was less than 1/2 as powerful and a graphics chip that was less powerful as well, yet it had the same amount of total memory as the PS3.

Originally Posted by General Plot (in the original E3 press conference where they debuted the PS3 for the first time, Nvidia CEO said it was the equivalent of 2 x GeForce 6800's in SLI). Seems they changed the specs afterwards, and it instead is the same as 2 x 7800's.

No...it is a hair faster than one 7800, or about the speed of a pair of 6800 ultras...or much less than the speed of a single 3870HD. HOWEVER, the 6800 Ultras came with 256-512MB each and the 7800 came with 512MB...and the RSX comes with 256MB.

Originally Posted by General Plot Find a console with a more powerful GPU on the market today. You won't find one.

No one is arguing that the PS3 has the best video chip of any console out there...all I am saying is that it is pathetic regardless of how much worse the only competition is.

Originally Posted by General Plot Since the PS3 doesn't rely on DirectX, it doesn't need alot of raw horsepower to perform well. PSGL is a very efficient graphic library that can get alot more bang out of hardware.

Actually, it still needs a lot of raw power to get the job done...that is why it doesn't get the job done. Seriously...the PS3 doesn't even support 1080P 3D...no support at all in any form, not even as a tech demo. Plus most games drop the resolution to 720P just for 2D.


...And once again I have to remind you of an important fact: Most developers don't optimize games, and there is nothing you can do about it other than throw hardware at the problem or stick to a tiny handful of games that are optimized, but are on rails and only last a few hours each.

[Thelostdeathknight]

So i just had to laugh at the people saying PC doesn't do splitscreen, There are quite a few games that do split screen on PC(just get on steam and look, games that don't have spilt screen on PC but do on console is due to the fact the devs are lazy, hehe i can use that argument too xD), plus the PSX and PS2 emulators are far far better

[General Plot]

Originally Posted by KillerBug The console before the PS3 was the 360...

Read that as of the previous generation.

Originally Posted by KillerBug it had a processor that was less than 1/2 as powerful and a graphics chip that was less powerful as well, yet it had the same amount of total memory as the PS3.

Number crunching matters more than memory at a point. RISC architecture doesn't need as much memory to perform as well as x86/x64 does (as RISC == Reduced Instruction Set Compiler, ie: register sizes aren't as large per op code as on PC's). There comes a point when you have more than enough and essentially it becomes overkill. I have 6 GB of RAM in my PC, yet in most cases, Windows and apps would run just as well if I only had 2 GB in there.

Originally Posted by KillerBug No...it is a hair faster than one 7800, or about the speed of a pair of 6800 ultras...or much less than the speed of a single 3870HD. HOWEVER, the 6800 Ultras came with 256-512MB each and the 7800 came with 512MB...and the RSX comes with 256MB.

Again, video memory isn't a factor so much past a point. It's memory bandwidth and GPU power that matter most. Since most physics and vector calculation is performed on the Cell, the GPU can be dedicated to handling other tasks like draw distance, bump mapping, texturing, et...

[pbanj]

Originally Posted by japsander Bluray playback. The ability to sit back on my sofa to play on the big screen which I cannot use my PC for as it is on a desk Multiplayer games with the family Chatting to my friends who have ps3 and playing them The fact that if something goes wrong to my PC (be it malware/hardware fault) my games are still there The ability to carry on with my normal PC activities while playing knowing that is isnt going to affect my game Ease of use for the family. (I'm not letting my 6yr old have access to my PC) Being able to go to a friends house and using my profile/saves/content there Not having to play with drivers/codecs, sort out conflicts etc I can easily take my ps3 with me if I go away on holiday/stay with relatives

my pc has bluray playback, i can also sit on my couch and watch movies from it and play games on my tv if i wanted to its not hard to get a hdmi cable long enough to hook ur pc to ur tv.
as for multiplayer games with the fam if you have two controllers u can do it easy on most pc games.
as for chatting there is a ton of programs for this on the pc.
if you use steam, origin, ect... you dont have to worry about loosing your games
i always have a pc game going i play in windowed mode. hell i norm have irc, zune, ff, and a game going at the same time and its fine.
i created a limited account on my pc so that the fam can use the 3d bluray they cant do anything that would effect the pc itself.
you can put ur game saves on a flash drive with pc games and use them on any pc on any account.
the only thing valid in your argument is the last two points and even then i have never had a driver or codec problem but know people who have(ati drivers lol)

[japsander]

@pbanj i was talking about the cost at ps3 vs a pc at release time, not now >.<

for the cost at the time i couldnt do all those things for the price so the ps3 is/was not pathetic

[Ubefuct]

For updated ATI drivers, I have to use a registry hack. Almost bought xbox360 but it is ATI based, so I bought a ps3. With the BS ATI pulls with its drivers, I wouldn't be surpized if it ends up in the ps4. Just imagine the mayhem....
PS I love those mayhem commercials

[KillerBug]

Originally Posted by General Plot Again, video memory isn't a factor so much past a point. It's memory bandwidth and GPU power that matter most. Since most physics and vector calculation is performed on the Cell, the GPU can be dedicated to handling other tasks like draw distance, bump mapping, texturing, et...

Since there isn't enough main memory either, the video memory bandwidth is usually about the same as the hard disk bandwidth...so even if your argument against video memory size was true for 1080P (where 512MB is about the bare minimum regardless of speed), it wouldn't change the fact that the PS3 does not have enough memory and both the CELL and RSX are memory starved.

[VIRGIN KLM]

I kind of agree. I think the only issue is that Sony instead of putting this stupid card reader could spend the same amount of production cost for a double capacity RAM which would nearly solve any of those issues people complain.
Also about people saying that it's the cheapest solution for 3D at 720p, it's not true plus I found 3D at 22-28fps very annoying, It's way too stuttering for me, I can barelly stand GTAIV's stuttering which is 2D and it's less nause-causing, anything below 720p at 60fps on 3D sucks biiig time.

[Mackdanny]

Im getting more into PC gaming, but i DO need a new PC, i need a desktop, because my laptop just cant do it. I want to play splinter cell conviction BUT im NOT trading my PS3 for an xbox. So ill just play it on PC. There are lota of xbox games i want to play that came out for PC so, theres an idea. Plus there are some PC only games im sure i would love to try. But still, i loves my PS3. Not to mention I always hook up my PS3 controller to my PC when gaming. If the game supports rumble, why should i be deprived?

[KillerBug]

Originally Posted by Mackdanny Im getting more into PC gaming, but i DO need a new PC, i need a desktop, because my laptop just cant do it. I want to play splinter cell conviction BUT im NOT trading my PS3 for an xbox. So ill just play it on PC. There are lota of xbox games i want to play that came out for PC so, theres an idea. Plus there are some PC only games im sure i would love to try. But still, i loves my PS3. Not to mention I always hook up my PS3 controller to my PC when gaming. If the game supports rumble, why should i be deprived?

That is one of the great parts about a PC...you can connect just about anything without an adapter, and you can connected everything else with an adapter!

Then again, I like shooters...so a keyboard and mouse can't be topped by any gamepad. Luckily, my footstool is a subwoofer, so I get plenty of rumble anyway.