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Originally Posted by fahadsul3man people forgot millions of christians killed by stalin during the red revoloution y isnt there any memorial for those murdered in gulags ?

Couldn't agree any further! This is just like the thread I posted earlier... The brain might have told their body something, causing them to forget it in just matter of seconds. The human brain may have more power than we imagined.

[jaurk]

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin abortion is a choice and it is murder, when you abort a baby it is the same as murdering a new born baby

*continuing for your quote above*
Just as in stepping on ants, you see an ant has more consciousness than a baby in the whom, except in the later stages.

A baby's brain waves are so low, it is not even concious of it's own environment, or it's physical body, it is alive, ofcourse, but the level of conciousness seems to deem what it appropriate to kill, and what isn't.

Just as some scientists argue plants have a very low level of conciousness, but you don't see many people feeling sad over weeds being ripped out.

nevertheless, it's a life lost, and that is very emotional for some people.

[ElSalvatore]

Well, as I said before - and also the Headline "How fast mankind forgets..." I didn't want to start a discussion about abortion but about how so many people (I know that they cut only the scenes with the "dumb" people in) don't know about Hitler - Holocaust - or even what WWII was all about!

I know, it was the wrong video to say it, but that was the one that gave me the impulse.

I also am aware that arguing about abortion is nonesense, because everybody has his/her own oppinion about it. That's why I mentioned in the Headline only the "forget-thingy..." ^^

AND: I am against abortion, since I think as soon as a woman is pregnant, there is life! And aborting would be killing the baby! And I don't think that there are ANY excuses for killing a baby. As mentioned in the video: you can still give it away for adoption.
And people who don't even feel guilty for what they have done (aborting a child) just disgust me. Just imagine YOUR parents couldn't/didn't feel like/weren't able to get a baby and just would have abortet you. You wouldn't even be here, reading this... Isn't that a terrible thought?!

And YES, I agree: those parallels between WWII and abortion now are weird. But I think they still do have just a TINY LITTLE truth... Just a bit...

[KillerBug]

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin Don't be silly, not having vaginal sex is a sure way of not getting pregnant, it is the best birth control

Yeah, but do you want to live in a world where women only have sex for pregnancy?

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin Not sure about the US, but here in UK/Ireland, there is an implant and i have yet to hear of someone getting pregnant wearing it.

An implant isn't always an option...it is $800, it has health risks, and it is still less than 99.5% effective.

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin Oh come on, if they didn't want to have abortions, they simply wouldn't have them, its not like they have a gun held to their head and someone forcing them, abortion is a choice and it is murder, when you abort a baby it is the same as murdering a new born baby

First, I meant that it isn't like they are getting pregnant for the sake of having an abortion...I think you knew that.

As for murder, that is really hard to define amongst all people. I would agree that it was murder if the child could survive without the mother...even if it was in a machine...but even 3 months after abortion becomes illegal, the fetus still can't survive outside the womb. So, let's say that you could only survive by being attached to my circulatory and digestive systems and I refused to let you do this...would I be murdering you? Would you agree with a law stating that everyone must be willing to undergo a medically dangerous and life changing procedure like this, without pay, if they were requested to do so?

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin Men should also me more mature and wear condoms, even if its just to keep them from getting japsanderitis.

You are 100% correct that men should wear condoms when having sex with strangers for the sake of disease prevention...but condoms don't always work. As for couples in long-term committed relationships, I really wouldn't agree...if other forms of birth control are in place then condoms only provide a very slight risk prevention that is less than the chances of developing a latex allergy. Here's the thing...if birth control doesn't work, it doesn't work. It isn't like it just fails on certain occasions. Given this, having sex with a condom either makes no difference at all, or it provides the same amount of protection as using only a condom with no birth control. Condoms do fail...if you have sex with a condom frequently enough over a long period of time (like a marriage) you will have a condom failure at some point.

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin I know you didn't make the image, but it should read "Human's - The Ass Holes Of The World"

So you only like humans during the first three months of being a fetus, but not thereafter?

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin You didn't need to make a comment, this thread is for mature adults to have a mature discussion, you have proven you cannot do that, so no need to spam the thread

If you believe anyone who disagrees with your viewpoint is automatically immature, you are probably not mature yourself.

BTW...are you a woman? I am just wondering...because you seem more than happy to tell women what they cannot do with their bodies. Have you ever seen a right to life protest? The "lifers" are about 75% men...the "choicers" are about 90% women. Funny how those who want to eliminate freedoms for females tend to be male...oh wait...that is how it always is...throughout the centuries males have been fighting female freedoms, whites have been fighting black freedoms, muslims have been fighting christian freedoms, christians have been fighting muslim freedoms, etc.etc.etc...

[ElSalvatore]

Originally Posted by Travis258 I'm not going to watch but my opinion is that some things should be forgotten and move on. Lessons should have been learned and dwelling on the past serves no other purpose than bringing bad feelings back for anyone affected.

Ah, yeah, and forgetting what they died for/were killed for will make the affected ones very happy you think?

Forgetting that someones father/mother/brother/sister/... died or were killed with having done nothing wrong would help you think?
-sarcasm on
And yeah, just forget all the brave veterans that also died in the war against a psychopath.
Why not remove the veteran's day? Or all the days that remember those who died for democracy/human rights/freedom?

Yeah - right - the best solution, don't you think? /sarcasm off

[KillerBug]

Originally Posted by ElSalvatore Why not remove the veteran's day? Or all the days that remember those who died for democracy/human rights/freedom?

We might as well do that one...we have eliminated most of the things that they died for.
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Originally Posted by ElSalvatore As mentioned in the video: you can still give it away for adoption.

If you can figure out a way for to give away a fetus that is less than 3 months old for adoption, you may have a nobel prize ceremony to prepare for.

[GregoryRasputin]

Originally Posted by KillerBug An implant isn't always an option...it is $800, it has health risks, and it is still less than 99.5% effective.

>.< it is free here and there are no health risks over here using it.

I mean you could say there are health risks taking a condom out of the package...

Originally Posted by KillerBug So you only like humans during the first three months of being a fetus, but not thereafter?

To be honest, humans are fine until they hit their teenage years, then its all downhill from there, for instance, im sure Hitler, Saddam, Stalin were all bonnie little babies

Originally Posted by KillerBug If you believe anyone who disagrees with your viewpoint is automatically immature, you are probably not mature yourself.

Im not sure where this is coming from, as i said this is quite a mature conversation and i did not call anyone immature for saying they support the murder of unborn babies.

Originally Posted by KillerBug BTW...are you a woman? I am just wondering...because you seem more than happy to tell women what they cannot do with their bodies.

I could turn around and say, are you an unborn baby, because you seem more than happy for babies to die, born or unborn, a baby, is a baby...

Originally Posted by KillerBug Funny how those who want to eliminate freedoms for females tend to be male...

And what about the freedoms of the unborn babies, i suppose that's fine ?
I also if you actually read what i said, did not say i wanted to stop abortion, i said it was wrong, big difference, if some dumb c*nt wants to be irresponsible and get pregnant and then take the choice to murder a baby, then who am i to stop them.

[KillerBug]

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin >.< it is free here and there are no health risks over here using it.

Ah, magical Ireland...where people have free healthcare and no one get migraines or persistent nausea...what a wonderful land!

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin Im not sure where this is coming from, as i said this is quite a mature conversation and i did not call anyone immature for saying they support the murder of unborn babies.

this thread is for mature adults to have a mature discussion, you have proven you cannot do that

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin I could turn around and say, are you an unborn baby, because you seem more than happy for babies to die, born or unborn, a baby, is a baby...

I am certainly against infanticide...I am even against abortion after three months unless there is some very specific medical reason (like if the pregnancy will cause the mother to die or something).

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin And what about the freedoms of the unborn babies, i suppose that's fine ?

What freedoms does a fetus have? Believe it or not, I was once a baby...and before that a fetus. If my mother had chosen not to abort the first time, I wouldn't exist. She would probably still be with the abusive guy who knocked her up (or dead), and the child would have been raised in poverty, with a violent father and a punching bag for a mother. Probably dead from a drug overdose by now.

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin I also if you actually read what i said, did not say i wanted to stop abortion, i said it was wrong, big difference, if some dumb c*nt wants to be irresponsible and get pregnant and then take the choice to murder a baby, then who am i to stop them.

It is nice to hear that you at least support the right to choose...and if you choose to call it murder, then I will support your right to say that as well. Personally I would not call it murder, and I wouldn't call the dumbest woman a c*nt...but I support your right to free speech.

[Peacem8ker]

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin I always worry about entering these discussions, because I fear things I may say, may be deemed offensive. 2.) The Holocaust was a horrible stain on human history, so many innocent people were masacared by evil, vile bastards. I agree with @japsander that people should move on, but when I see the Israelis do to Palestinians what Hitler did to the Jews, then i see that History is just repeating itself.

I am actually surprised that on a none political website you try to bring hatred towards Israel (I wonder why u didn't refer to the killings that happen to protesters in Iran or Syria for example). Moreover, if these are the words comming from your own mouth, then obviously you have no idea what has happened at the Holocost.

Facts:
*at the Holocost , the "main plan" of the Natzis was to KILL jews, therefore, thousands of Jews were isolated and murdered on A DAILY basis at the extermination camps.

In Gaza - more citisens are being killed by car accidents/murders and illments than the endless war that is going over for the past 60 years.

If Israel's "main target" was to KILL palestinians - she could have wiped out Gaza in less than 24 hours, obviously this hasn't happened for the past 60 years (I wonder if It was the same if Putin were the prime minister of Israel).

I really don't think that a mod in your position should use this channel for causing hatred towards Israel, and I really think that you should visit both countries before making such a horrid analogy towards Israel.

Make Love not War

Peacm8ker

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Originally Posted by japsander I'm not going to watch but my opinion is that some things should be forgotten and move on. Lessons should have been learned and dwelling on the past serves no other purpose than bringing bad feelings back for anyone affected.

Not forgetting the past is the key to not make or accept the same mistakes over and over again.