[pbanj]

@KillerBug i feel the same about Buddhism, i actually have a set of Buddhist Mala Beads hanging on my wall

also i dont like when religion comes knocking on my door at 7am more then one type does this mormons, jehovah's witness, christains(multiple types), the cicty i lived in when i was younger had a christain bus they would drive around and bribe kids with toys to get them to get on and go to church, they tried that with me once i told the driver im not retarded and what he is doing is things pedophiles do to get kids, he was not happy and drove away

people should be free to believe what they want and no one should go around forcing their religion on people

[chuchutranny]

People will always be violent, with or without religion involved. If the whole world lived by a secular doctrine, people would find other excuses to kill, exercise prejudice, etc etc. The best solution is the raise the quality of life internationally as much as possible, ideally so that the obesity rates in all countries are above 60%. That way, the majority of people will be too fat and lazy to engage in any form of widespread organized violence.

Phase two of the plan involves getting a computer (or any internet capable device) in the hands of every man, woman, and child. Then, when they feel angry about some random bull****, instead of running around and raising hell outside (and remember they're no longer capable of doing this with a BMI of over 30), they'll instead spend hours upon hours of their 'lives' trolling 'The Enemy' on Facebook, Twitter, or some miscellaneous internet forum of their choice. Think about it, this is already happening organically and if we just give it that little nudge, we could mass-produce that **** on a much larger scale.

It will be glorious, glorious I tell you! Ah but if you'll allow be to drift back to what I was saying at the beginning, I do wonder of we could genetically engineer people to be less aggressive and... uhh, I dunno - smarter? Oh, and leading into that thought, I wonder how an artificial intelligence would cope with sentience if given the opportunity to experience it. Perhaps it'd be like us, but without all the bull****. As far as I know though (getting back to the topic of genetic engineering), this is illegal in most 1st world countries. I guess we're afraid of making superior human life.

[KillerBug]

Originally Posted by pbanj @KillerBug i feel the same about Buddhism, i actually have a set of Buddhist Mala Beads hanging on my wall also i dont like when religion comes knocking on my door at 7am more then one type does this mormons, jehovah's witness, christains(multiple types), the cicty i lived in when i was younger had a christain bus they would drive around and bribe kids with toys to get them to get on and go to church, they tried that with me once i told the driver im not retarded and what he is doing is things pedophiles do to get kids, he was not happy and drove away people should be free to believe what they want and no one should go around forcing their religion on people

They tried that with candy when I was a kid. I told my mom that a guy in a big van offered my candy to get in, and she called the cops.

[ElSalvatore]

@pbanj
The first few lines weren't for you! they were meant for @Wolfie708 !

You say you have studied a lot of Religions? Well. Ever really practiced one?
You can learn a lot, but you won't fully understand it until you've practiced that certain thing for a few years!

Also you say you mustn't have a TV, PS3, Computer, ..., because they could fall under sloth (sitting around doing nothing).
Well, you could take that sloth thing for almost EVERYTHING you'd want. It would end with nobody (-Religious ppl only) would have any spare time left.
But you could also use a LOT other more "Rules" stated in the bible in an exaggerated way!
Unfortunately everybody (the Churches) claim THEY know the rules, and NOBODY ELSE!
Well, that was the first reason why so many churches split up from the catholic church:
They interpreted the Bible at some lines (NOT THE WHOLE BIBLE!) a different way!

And I indeed know (and I'm sure you know it too):
You find a LOT of things in the bible that are contradictionary with things it's saying itself.
And I'm also sure that you'll take that as a point to tell something like "Yeah, another proof your fairy tale is a bunch of lies" or something - grow up and come up with something noone has said before!


And your "Same goes for you":

Well. There you have it again - reducing one Religion to those who do not practice it totally right just to "prove" that thus the Religion sucks and is fake.
It's like saying in Maths: "1+1 is not 5, so it might be 7"

But it's okay. Everybody who wants to find a good reason for him not to believe in something takes only the bad guys for his or her comparison to "not believing in anything"...

[fahadsul3man]

Originally Posted by Peacem8ker Also, speaking about facts, it seems to me that you probably are not aware to the amount of military weapons that is being smuggled to Palestine if you seriously believe that the Palestine militias (mostly the Hamas) using only "stones" (and if you want some proven videos that they use rocket launchers/guns/bombs etc... just give me another go for an endless videos/articles about it too). PEACEM8KER .

israel used illegal cluster bombs during lebanon war in 2006 oh weapons in palestine lets see handguns against nuclear armed israel with f 16s and stealth navy ......

[japsander]

Religion is a personal thing, it should never be pushed onto anybody.
The texts are there for people to find if they wish to do so but never, and I repeat NEVER should an organization (which all faiths basically are) pressure anybody into what to believe/do/say.
They are supposed to ge there for guidence for those who want/need it.

"Do what I say and go to heaven or burn in hell" is basically what they push onto you which is wrong.
Isn't faith something that is born out of free will that we are all "allegedly" allowed to have? It has to be a choice that you make for yourself. "Threatening" people with eternal damnation unless you bow to their orders is equal to bullying and psychological abuse with maybe a little brainwashing thrown in for good measure.

Now I have nothing against any bodies beliefs but as a whole, where many religions start at the same place and then split into various different churches etc, if they cant agree and only one is true then doesn't it mean that somewhere only one is in fact the real one? And does that mean that all other religions are brainwashing the rest of the world with lies?

The fact that there are so many drives me away from all religion. All that matters to me is that I believe myself to be a good person. An ******* at times but good in general. What sort of faith has the right to demand more from anybody? We are not slaves, we shouldn't be forced to worship any deity. If a god exists then wouldn't he/she/it know in ourselves what sort of people we are? Why would an almighty being require worship and wars in their name?

In my opinion, all religions are wrong in the way they control their subjects. Any new religion these days is labelled a cult so why aren't all faiths.

Now before anybody gets insulted by anything I said, this isnt aimed at anybody, this is my belief, whatever you choose to believe is up to you

[KillerBug]

Originally Posted by ElSalvatore You say you have studied a lot of Religions? Well. Ever really practiced one?

Yes, from before I could remember until I was 10, my family was a member of a branch of the christian faith. Our branch was either a cult or right on the edge of being a cult.

-TV was not allowed...but computers were.
-Alcohol was not allowed...except in church.
-We were told that speaking in tongues was the only proof that god had entered you, and that you were damned to hell if this did not happen.
-One of my most vivid early memories was of a teenager who was praying at the alter. He scratched his face over and over again as he screamed gibberish. No one stopped him. After about 20 minutes of this, his face was completely covered in blood as if someone had poured a gallon bucket of blood over his head. Everyone agreed that this was a good thing and that god had entered his soul.
-We were taught that the end of the world was coming soon and that we should prepare ourselves. Since I was never able to speak in tongues, I used to wake up in the middle of the night and check to see if my parents had been raptured.
-When I was nearly 10 my mom caught me smoking a cigarette. I told her that it didn't matter because the world would end soon anyway and I was damned regardless of how hard I tried to speak in tongues. We left the church soon after.

[ElSalvatore]

Originally Posted by KillerBug Yes, from before I could remember until I was 10, my family was a member of a branch of the christian faith. Our branch was either a cult or right on the edge of being a cult. -TV was not allowed...but computers were. -Alcohol was not allowed...except in church. -We were told that speaking in tongues was the only proof that god had entered you, and that you were damned to hell if this did not happen. -One of my most vivid early memories was of a teenager who was praying at the alter. He scratched his face over and over again as he screamed gibberish. No one stopped him. After about 20 minutes of this, his face was completely covered in blood as if someone had poured a gallon bucket of blood over his head. Everyone agreed that this was a good thing and that god had entered his soul. -We were taught that the end of the world was coming soon and that we should prepare ourselves. Since I was never able to speak in tongues, I used to wake up in the middle of the night and check to see if my parents had been raptured. -When I was nearly 10 my mom caught me smoking a cigarette. I told her that it didn't matter because the world would end soon anyway and I was damned regardless of how hard I tried to speak in tongues. We left the church soon after.

WOW! Tough storry. I'm sorry you had to go through such things.
I'm in the Penticostal Church, and it's pretty much the same here.
And that is the point why I dissagree with a few points in this "church" - most still believe that's a sect.
And that's why I call myself "not that religious" (that would be from the point of view of the Church I'm in!). There should be some things people should have a free choices left, even in a Church.

But that's the problem of so many churches over the world:
They DO demand that the way THEY interprete the Bible (I'm only talking about the Bible because I don't want to say anything wrong about any other Religion) is THE ONLY WAY!

And I myself do believe in a mercyfull God! Just like he is being described in the Bible!
And the church SHOULD BE only a place where you meet with your "Brothers and Sisters" to share the time you warship your God.
I always imagined the church should be more like a forum: where nobody tells you what you HAVE to do, but where you can conversate with others telling them (and vise verca) how YOU think this and that phrase in the Bible could be interpreted...

And I'm not trying to convert anybody or something!
I tried to keep Religion out of this from the beginning of the Topic.
But since @pbanj couldn't use any other word for Bible than "fairy tale" I got pissed off a bit...

[KillerBug]

Originally Posted by ElSalvatore But that's the problem of so many churches over the world: They DO demand that the way THEY interprete the Bible (I'm only talking about the Bible because I don't want to say anything wrong about any other Religion) is THE ONLY WAY! And I myself do believe in a mercyfull God! Just like he is being described in the Bible! And the church SHOULD BE only a place where you meet with your "Brothers and Sisters" to share the time you warship your God. I always imagined the church should be more like a forum: where nobody tells you what you HAVE to do, but where you can conversate with others telling them (and vise verca) how YOU think this and that phrase in the Bible could be interpreted...

If someone wants to start a public forum, they start a public forum. If someone wants to get rich off of sheep, they open a church. If people want to worship together, they don't need a church or a forum; the core concepts of Christianity thrived for centuries in spite of crushing roman rule against them and in spite of a complete lack of churches.

BTW...the bible doesn't really describe a merciful god...it describes Jesus as being merciful and god as being a sadist.

[ElSalvatore]

Originally Posted by KillerBug BTW...the bible doesn't really describe a merciful god...it describes Jesus as being merciful and god as being a sadist.

Nah. Who sent the son to die for our sins?
God the father.

And Jesus beared the death on the cross for our sins.

I don't want to quote Bible phrases here. And I think that this thread also drifts too deep into this Religion issue...

So I'm gonna stop now. Not because I'm pissed or something.
I just think it's the wrong place.

And b4 anyone says that I "started this whole religion topic due to the video" I posted:
I clarified things from the start that the first part of the video gave me the impulse and that that Religion-thingy was unfortunately in the 2nd half..