[Señor_Striatum]

Hello everyone,

I am in the middle of an internal ethical debate on what do with some pictures I took. I caught a guy constantly browsing in every section I was in and no man I know sits around and browses by himself the length of time my wife does. He was always on the phone although I could not make out a word he said. I quickly realized he was lost prevention….so we decided to **** around a bit with the hook we apparently placed.

I began grabbing hot items like razor blades and what not only to find another browsing male watching me. So for my personal reference I managed to take a pic of both of the LP guys. When purchasing I caught a white man overly interested in my wife’s purse and promptly “mad dogged” him to look away. Then a black guy comes up next to him with a pack of pencils. White guy says hi “TOM” (to the black guy lol) and even though the line TOM arrived at had a familiar face and less items he promptly gets in the crowded line just ahead of me.

We pay, leave and long and behold the white guy comes RUNNING out with a receipt, a phone and none of his items!!! LP for sure. Runs up to my car and takes a picture of my license plate…I didn’t even steal a god damn thing! Promptly runs back in.

So I have half the mind to get another hook in, take a picture of the other two LPs then writing them a critical evaluation on their performance with a picture of each and everyone of them. I intend to print stacks and leave them at the mall, universities and leave a nice little batch right outside of the LP office (which is usually outside the building by the way). I figure it would be beneficial to illustrate that Michael Duke’s, CEO of Walmart, HOURLY wage is greater than his average employee’s YEARLY wage (an actual fact read here: http://abcnews.go.com/Business/walma...0#.Twj2JKXLwQo )

As far as I am concerned I figure people might as well see these faces so they can get away with stealing from this domineering corporation. The unethical part is that these people may very well lose their jobs and what have they done to me that I didn’t do to them? They are just doing their job. But their job is to protect the assets of a million dollar big wig who owns millions of slaves. I am tired of being a slave in a corporately owned economy as are many other Americans. Why should he have all that money?

DID YOU KNOW IN THE 1970’S THAT THE PAY GAP BETWEEN CEOS IN THE COUNTRY’S S&P 500 COMPANIES AND THE AVERAGE AMERICAN WORKER WAS ONLY 30 TO 1….COMPARE THAT WITH RATIO TODAY OF 319 TO 1….

Are these peoples jobs a necessary sacrifice? Lastly is this illegal?

[pbanj]

i would leave pics of them all over, hell i would leave them in walmart. i love ****ing with those guys. they need five things before they can stop you for theft, i like to shop in walmart and store the items in my pockets and not a cart it pisses them off(even more when i look back at them and smile o walk up to them and tell them to **** off). yes i pay for my items

[ohhwun]

Actually what they did is against WalMart's policy. In no way are they to follow a customer out of the store. Well, thats regular employees, IDK about Loss Prevention. But at least they didnt stop you at the front door and cause a scene and take you to the back office. Snapping a pic of your License Plate isn't illegal cause you can't really claim violation of privacy in a place that advertises that it uses cameras.

The Loss Prevention people that walmart hires are so ****ing stupid, they couldn't make it more obvious that they are watching you.

I would call Corporate Office with a complaint as well as getting that store's regional/area overseer.

[Señor_Striatum]

Originally Posted by pbanj i would leave pics of them all over, hell i would leave them in walmart. i love ****ing with those guys. they need five things before they can stop you for theft, i like to shop in walmart and store the items in my pockets and not a cart it pisses them off(even more when i look back at them and smile o walk up to them and tell them to **** off). yes i pay for my items

Had not heard of the 5 item rule. I know anything under $200 is only a ticket since it's more profitable to keep the customer's business. Also in my city the code word for LP is "buddy to department......"

[pbanj]

ya its a list of things they must see you do(it may just be in my state, also dont remember 100%) its like take the item, open(i think this one is optional), conceal, not pay, leave store. my sister has gotten away with shoplifting because of it

actual rules http://rockinjoe.hubpages.com/hub/5-...ut-Shoplifting

[mosstopher]

Yeah sure, get a couple of guys possibly sacked to fix your bruised ego. Good man, that'll really f*** with the CEO's and is sure to get their attention.

Or you could put it down to experience, realise that it was just some guys doing their jobs and suck it up, maybe put a complaint in if it hurt your poor little feelings that much.

[Señor_Striatum]

Originally Posted by pbanj ya its a list of things they must see you do(it may just be in my state, also dont remember 100%) its like take the item, open(i think this one is optional), conceal, not pay, leave store. my sister has gotten away with shoplifting because of it

I didn't want to make the post too long but I believe what you are describing is what the first LP was doing. At one point I left the isle, waited around 15s then promptly went back only to find him elbow deep in the isle looking behind some soups I was looking at. I suppose to find opened packaging for proof
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Originally Posted by mosstopher Yeah sure, get a couple of guys possibly sacked to fix your bruised ego. Good man, that'll really f*** with the CEO's and is sure to get their attention. Or you could put it down to experience, realise that it was just some guys doing their jobs and suck it up, maybe put a complaint in if it hurt your poor little feelings that much.

I suppose you are right…Perhaps it is a lost cause to expose the people who protect walmarts assets. They usually lose around $3 billion a year to shoplifting while still making enough to make a little more than 3$ billion in profit. That leaves enough to satisfy Walmart CEO Michael Duke's $16,826.92 hourly salary, Walmarts other employees who make an average $13,650 a year and more money for everything else they dictate.

But you are right what is one man going to do? Why even stand up to corporate greed right? Perhaps I should do like the rest and continue living my robotic life and let Duke consider the size of his next yacht while I consider how I am going to keep the roof over my sons head. On the contrary, and in your favor, perhaps we should not live like dogs and attack one another. But like you said what can I do to these giants?

I will say while it may seem like a personal vendetta I am considering the bigger picture. Which is why I am taking it to the internet so others may consider the same. Then maybe, with enough people, we make a statement

[mosstopher]

Originally Posted by Señor_Striatum I.. ...statement

You don't like Walmart, that's fair enough, it probably deserves a lot of hatred. I just don't see what these guys have to do with that, I mean, what have they really done to you? In your post, unless I have misunderstood, you admitted to doing things which would arouse suspicion. You then want to post pictures of these guys because they became suspicious?

I'm not telling you to bend over and take it up the ass. I'm saying that your favored course of action will hurt the average workers not the CEOs.

If you want to make leaflets, make leaflets exposing Walmarts corruption, not a couple of guys who are just doing their jobs. Remember in all likelyhood those fellas probably have the same commitments that you do, perhaps they're just trying to keep the roofs over their sons head.

[pbanj]

Originally Posted by mosstopher You don't like Walmart, that's fair enough, it probably deserves a lot of hatred. I just don't see what these guys have to do with that, I mean, what have they really done to you? In your post, unless I have misunderstood, you admitted to doing things which would arouse suspicion. You then want to post pictures of these guys because they became suspicious? I'm not telling you to bend over and take it up the ass. I'm saying that your favored course of action will hurt the average workers not the CEOs. If you want to make leaflets, make leaflets exposing Walmarts corruption, not a couple of guys who are just doing their jobs. Remember in all likelyhood those fellas probably have the same commitments that you do, perhaps they're just trying to keep the roofs over their sons head.

if that was the case they should not have followed him out of the store and did what they did, they are suppose to stay as hidden as they can and not make them selves know. also that guy put himself in danger as if he did it to the wrong person it may not have ended the same way.

[Señor_Striatum]

Originally Posted by mosstopher You don't like Walmart, that's fair enough, it probably deserves a lot of hatred. I just don't see what these guys have to do with that, I mean, what have they really done to you? In your post, unless I have misunderstood, you admitted to doing things which would arouse suspicion. You then want to post pictures of these guys because they became suspicious? I'm not telling you to bend over and take it up the ass. I'm saying that your favored course of action will hurt the average workers not the CEOs. If you want to make leaflets, make leaflets exposing Walmarts corruption, not a couple of guys who are just doing their jobs. Remember in all likelyhood those fellas probably have the same commitments that you do, perhaps they're just trying to keep the roofs over their sons head.

What you have described is why I am so torn about this so yes I agree with you. The leaflets are a good idea too and perhaps the most ethical. To answer your question they were on to me before I further led them on... but that is besides the point. While you are correct that exposing LP will hurt those workers specifically, I must disagree with the rest of the statement in that if it happens enough times in enough locations it will eventually trickle down to the CEOs.

I suppose the bottom line becomes whether we should make sacrifices for the greater good or take a slower to evolve course of action like that you proposed with the leaflets. Theft from corporations will surely provoke a faster change than simply addressing it. But this is unethical. I want to make it clear that I am trying to conduct a healthy debate so thanks for your reply.