[RazrBurn]

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin lol how can you say in one sentence that you don't support True Blue, then in the next basically say you support True Blue.

Actually what I did was first say True Blue's work was unethical. I then said I didn't support their actions but I support the approach of PS3 scene devs actually charging for their work much in the way that society usually functions. Also while I do not support True Blue it would be delusional to call them scam artists as they promised and delivered on that promise. They're scum for pirating and hurting the scene rep but they're not scam artists

Originally Posted by mosstopher Oh dear. The c**** who broke into my house a couple of weeks ago and emptied it pretty well did a good job, does that mean they are entitled to make money from my stuff? Perhaps if I ever meet them I should give them a pat on the back?

I'm really sorry to hear about your break-in. Regarless, I must disagree with you, the analogy is off. True Blue are not really stealing from us, they are stealing from Sony and charging us. This would be akin to one person someone paying a thief to go rob someone on his behalf. It's work for pay (which is acceptable to me) but the thing being purchased is illegal work (which is very much not).

[GregoryRasputin]

Originally Posted by RazrBurn Actually what I did was first say True Blue's work was unethical. I then said I didn't support their actions but I support the approach of PS3 scene devs actually charging for their work much in the way that society usually functions. Also while I do not support True Blue it would be delusional to call them scam artists as they promised and delivered on that promise. They're scum for pirating and hurting the scene rep but they're not scam artists

Using other peoples work, using Sony code and selling it to idiots, yeah i would call that scamming.

EDIT
You seem to contradict yourself in your posts, its kinda confusing :?
"I don't support TB" - "But yeah its OK for PS3 Devs to charge"
That is a contradiction....
It would not only be delusional but completly retarded to think that TB are not scam artist's.

[iPwnz]

watch out when germans declare war :D
so the question is are you team acid or team blue?!
allways nice to see some guys fight for the real deal instead of making money, you have to see it that way: they could decrypt the sticks and make another version of it and sell it to, but no they will release it for all! heil ac1d!

[H3avyRa1n]

Originally Posted by iPwnz watch out when germans declare war :D so the question is are you team acid or team blue?! allways nice to see some guys fight for the real deal instead of making money, you have to see it that way: they could decrypt the sticks and make another version of it and sell it to, but no they will release it for all! heil ac1d!

if i remember, the last time they declared war they lost so..
heil when something usable comes out, until then it's just talk.

[RazrBurn]

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin Using other peoples work, using Sony code and selling it to idiots, yeah i would call that scamming. EDIT You seem to contradict yourself in your posts, its kinda confusing :? "I don't support TB" - "But yeah its OK for PS3 Devs to charge" That is a contradiction.... It would not only be delusional but completly retarded to think that TB are not scam artist's.

No, a scam would be if they said 'Hey kids, buy our dongle and play 3.6+ games' and then someone bought the dongle and they got a box full of cream cheese. Clearly you and I have different definitions of scamming and that's fine, it's not my main point anyway

My main point is that True Blue is doing something for the express purposes of piracy. Their efforts are just for people to get out of paying for games. Thus their project is wrong.

But if another dev came around and figured out a way for us to run homebrew or media players or anything we had a right to do on our PS3, that dev would be totally justified in asking for some monetary compensation. And I'm also saying that if there was money in getting legitimate solutions on later firmware, more people would be interested in putting out such solutions.

There's no contradiction here. The scene mentality is great but we might see more results if people were getting paid for their hard work.

[iPwnz]

Originally Posted by H3avyRa1n if i remember, the last time they declared war they lost so.. heil when something usable comes out, until then it's just talk.

they lose 2 times and look at them now anyway very interesting to make it public for all!

[STRATEGIZER]

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin Using other peoples work, using Sony code and selling it to idiots, yeah i would call that scamming. EDIT You seem to contradict yourself in your posts, its kinda confusing :? "I don't support TB" - "But yeah its OK for PS3 Devs to charge" That is a contradiction.... It would not only be delusional but completly retarded to think that TB are not scam artist's.

What ? Trying to be hard work as normal GR... This is what I took from his post...

1# He doesn't support TB because the way they do business (More than likely because all this DRM / pirating involved, In one way or another). 2# He believes that all devs in general (Not just TB) should be paid if that's what they wish (Assuming the work is entirely they're work).

At the end of the day, TB are just charging you guys for they're work, Not for DRM & pirate bull****. Im pretty sure if they could sell this idea without all this DRM, These threads *****ing would still here only with a different title...

[H3avyRa1n]

is this turning into a royalties discussion thread?

[Wolfie708]

Originally Posted by H3avyRa1n is this turning into a royalties discussion thread?

It's turning into exactly what every single thread that involves TB etc turns into.

BOTH sides throwing their respective teddy at each other.

It is supposed to be a FORUM for f*cks sake where things are DISCUSSED not argued over like kids in the playground.

People wonder why this scene is the worst ever, and the basic reason is that everyone seems to struggle so hard to accept that people have different opinions and morals, so they resort to insults and flaming.

[RazrBurn]

Originally Posted by H3avyRa1n is this turning into a royalties discussion thread?

Whose idea was it to turn it into a royalties discussion thread? We should pay that person royalties immediately