[japsander]

ahh a wild ** @Wolfie708 ** appears.
he uses "rationality"

[mcmrc1]

pls not again such a thread

its like a running gag....and not a good one and again

[Wolfie708]

Originally Posted by japsander ahh a wild ** @Wolfie708 ** appears. he uses "rationality"

Make the most of it mate, I go back to numb nut phase next time Moon changes

[thepitt]

Originally Posted by japsander dream on, people who ask about TB get our honest opinion, period.

I know this, but your opinion is outweighed by the features and functionality of the dongles. Remember, these are pirates you are dealing with not people who give a damn if the only way they can play certain PS3 games is based on hacked, stolen or free work. They really don't give a damn.

this site is not only about TB, what does TB make? about 1-2% of the forum? so take your math and work it out on that small percentage. there is more to hax than these crapsticks and that is why we stay.

My math was based on front page articles posted versus forum topic views by users, which is generally a constant on the scene sites. Most users only look at the main page which you should know. The rest of my math was a generalization based on prior experience with scene sites and also only including dongle related articles.

do you agree with every ****ing thing your government does?? if not, leave the damn country. if you do then you are a drone.

That is an over generalization and a poor comparison. There's huge difference between living in a country then being a moderator on a forum. However, to follow your analogy I would say if I were working or volunteering at a company that supported SOPA (that USA sh1t) I would quit. You are freely working at a website that supports selling Dongles, yet you stay and because you claim that you can do more harm to them with the bad PR. Sorry, the more you talk about them the more "newbs" learn about them - and remember, these are pirates (read above again).

and if you hate greg so much yet you stay on here, giving him the attention that you "assume" he requires then you are in fact helping him are you not?

Actually, with his responses anyone with an IQ over 50 might start to realize what a little immature child he is. You know, most of your users are around 14-22 years old (this is a scene site demographic) and by watching, reading and learning I've come to the conclusion that the majority of the people that do comment on Dongle related issues are very young and very dumb. Heh, have you checked on how many accounts Gregory has? So many people sound exactly like him, type like him, same attitude, etc ... I would find it very hard to believe he's not a giant Troll from the Netherlands.

how about taking your own advice?

I try to as much as possible.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie708 As to the Greg etc supporting TB by being members/Mods here, sorry mate but you are talking pants. That is like saying that I support a war that my government starts.

Good point; except this is a small website and there are plenty to choose from and there's also the possibility of starting your own. Sure, you could inflate that to a "country" sized example, but we're not talking about countries. What I have been stating specifically applies to ps3hax, their advertisers and their moderators. I could understand Gregory staying here if his dislike for dongles was passive, but he's very passionate about slandering them any chance he gets. He's stated he'll do whatever it takes to stop them from being sold; yet *sounds of a broken records*; he helps a site sell them.

[japsander]

my reasoning for being here has nothing to do with TB whatsoever. it is an obstacle that needs to be overcome, that is all

don't agree with a certain thing then quit? nah sorry

don't give our opinion? gotcha....

thank you BTW for continuing in here and not in unrelated threads, it makes my job a little easier

p.s. that troll movie sucked but put it in a mankini i could see the resemblance

[Wolfie708]

Originally Posted by thepitt My math was based on front page articles posted versus forum topic views by users, which is generally a constant on the scene sites. Most users only look at the main page which you should know. The rest of my math was a generalization based on prior experience with scene sites and also only including dongle related articles. That is an over generalization and a poor comparison. There's huge difference between living in a country then being a moderator on a forum. However, to follow your analogy I would say if I were working or volunteering at a company that supported SOPA (that USA sh1t) I would quit. You are freely working at a website that supports selling Dongles, yet you stay and because you claim that you can do more harm to them with the bad PR. Sorry, the more you talk about them the more "newbs" learn about them - and remember, these are pirates (read above again). Actually, with his responses anyone with an IQ over 50 might start to realize what a little immature child he is. You know, most of your users are around 14-22 years old (this is a scene site demographic) and by watching, reading and learning I've come to the conclusion that the majority of the people that do comment on Dongle related issues are very young and very dumb. Heh, have you checked on how many accounts Gregory has? So many people sound exactly like him, type like him, same attitude, etc ... I would find it very hard to believe he's not a giant Troll from the Netherlands. I try to as much as possible.

#1 Your math is flawed as almost all first time visitors come here to a specific page through a link they have found when searching for something.

#2 It is a valid and accurate comparison (PM me please for an in depth explanation of why)

#3 Likeness in attitude and opinion is to be taken as read in this situation, and I could also say that you seem to be a carbon copy of someone else. Yes, Greg takes things to heart, but are you also not doing the same but for the other side of the argument?

#4 I could go on for hours/days/even months, but would you listen to me? I am neutral in this as you will see if you read some of my recent posts on this subject and TB in general, but you are acting like a pillock in this and doing exactly what you accuse Greg etc of......... Trying to impose your opinion and beliefs on someone else.

[STL-CARDS12]

Im sorry but may i add my 2 cents here..

Its no secret of me and GR disagreements..

I think everyone on both sides of this issue , Should respect the other sides beliefs and feelings..

Bottom line is this people who want it will buy it..
People who dislike it will not buy it..

One thing i think that should stop is the harassing on both sides..
(i have been guilty of that as well as GR and other members/mods, where has it gotten us no where)

Just like anything.. Even if its Bad press its still promoting it... GR you may talk others out of buying it, but in that same token many people are more aware of what it can do..

I think GR should Should have his opinions, as well as anyone who disagrees..
and not be put down for their beliefs.

The only thing i don't agree with is the attack of members who have seen LEGIT value in this..not everyone is a pirate, but seems they are thrown in that mix of being a pirate. But with that said i feel GR should be able to express his opinion..
I just think he should At times do it with more respect and attack the device not the people as much... if your placing blame on people as well. I would love to see you place blame on "pirate" as well for placing the ads up for the various sites and/or devices that sell.. Sorta of a double standard in that way.. I know you have said you dislike the ads and if it was up to you they would be removed.. but no insults ever to pirate.. but many insults to fellow members..

I think true Blue should go down.. But in reality like them or hate them.. They have got "SOME" 3.60+ games to play where no else has.. TB sales will stay steady until someone figures out how to boot 3.60+ games, until then this arguing is all useless for all involved.

They may be money hungry bastards.. but say they were not making any money.. Maybe it would be safe to say there would be NO METHODS at all..
At least there is a choice... Weather its bad or good it is a choice.. and i think people opinions should be respected on both ways as well as their choice.. The coversations should never be buy a 2nd ps3 or i have two ps3 i didnt have to buy it ect.. or buy a flasher.. Its a matter of choice and we all should respect that..

Team AC1D i really dont see them breaking apart the TB... If their methods are correct then why havent they at least showed a game or two that they can boot by this method.. I rather of them showed how at least One game could boot, instead of saying we have it figured out... this is a wait and see but no results when they say they have some games running.. Really makes me discount their claims .. I really hope they prove me wrong...

But bottom line.. I think we should all respect each others, and not make the scene such hostile ground.. Really sets a bad example for future Devs who may get into the scene or even Devs back into the scene...

Lets all get along !!! or at least respect each other..

Like or hate TB will be around upto the day it is cracked.
So i reality this whole fight over this topic has Zero value for both sides..

Lets all agree and Shake hands and move on.....

[japsander]

Originally Posted by STL-CARDS12 Lets all agree and Shake hands and move on.....

i prefer kissing and making up

[Wolfie708]

Originally Posted by japsander i prefer kissing and making up

NO tongues this time!!!

[thepitt]

Originally Posted by Wolfie708 #1 Your math is flawed as almost all first time visitors come here to a specific page through a link they have found when searching for something.

Sorry, clarification = Daily users who visit the site to get news from is the audience I was talking about. Your group of people rarely make it to the main page or any other page at that matter and will never read about the Dongles unless specifically searching for information pertaining to them.

#2 It is a valid and accurate comparison (PM me please for an in depth explanation of why)

I will, but I don't have an open mind when it comes to that comparison. Countries are full of millions/billions of people where this site is maintained and operated by a handful. Therefor, saying Gregory is a hypocrite for staying at a site that advertises Dongles when he says he'll do all in his power to stop their sale is much more plausible then saying some guy you never met started a war and you had ZERO choice in the matter and no way to leave or change anything. That's being a citizen during war. This is not a war, this is a simple website.

#4 I could go on for hours/days/even months, but would you listen to me? I am neutral in this as you will see if you read some of my recent posts on this subject and TB in general, but you are acting like a pillock in this and doing exactly what you accuse Greg etc of......... Trying to impose your opinion and beliefs on someone else.

No need to accuse Gregory of trying to brainwash others as it's apparent he's doing that pretty well. Me? In a debate it's my responsibility to convey my beliefs and ideals and then try to stick up for them. Well, at least that is how it works when you have free will and you're not some sheep in a heard.