[LoboGuara]

Fortunatelly, not all devs are emo kids.

[hamtah]

Originally Posted by Annelies If a developer is really passionate about his/her work and what they do then they will keep releasing **** even if they are getting flamed so getting flamed does not even matter.

I agree 100% with what you said.

Originally Posted by CaptnN what are you implying? that only REALLY passionate developers are desired? or that our developers have to be "strong"? what if a not passionate, but interested and skilled developer tries to contribute something to this scene and has to handle ****storms? what if a weak developer hast the skills to achieve something special, but just cant handle the pressure and the flames? this isnt war. why do some athletes commit suicide? because they aint passionate enough? those developers are usually not the elite of mankind.

Developers should just release what they have, or not talk about it. Is it our fault these developers have no friends, and don't know how life works. Seems like they live in basements all day with no idea on how to handle life. They don't want **** storms? Don't say anything. These developers choose to have their twitter's spammed and have complainers. If they would just shut up, they will not have to deal with all the crap.

Have something to release in a couple of weeks? Shut up, and say nothing.
Have something to release today or tomorrow? Say something, and release what you promise.

[CaptnN]

yes most people just cant hold back if they feel like they did something special.

But dont forget its not done with releasing.
As soon as the masses use your programm there will be more problems, maybe bricks, fixes are needed. People go on flaming they will never stop. Even after all that done people still take any chance of hating.
See daenk, hes being called a sellout. And waninkoko also didnt sound like he enjoyed his hobby with this scene if i remember right.

[japsander]

in their defense, some devs say things in a private channel that get spread around and then they are forced to answer the rumours or get flamed for hiding things.
its not "always" their fault and other times they require help so they need to announce in order to get the help.

those with outrageous claims however that have not even started work should just keep it to themselves until they are sure IMO

and those who say "i know but im not telling you"? well they DO deserve disrespect for disrespecting everyone else

there are no excuses for people to flame devs that have done no wrong though. thats like your family flaming you for doing their laundry

saying that they should put up with the flames or they are weak is a piss poor excuse TBH

[LoboGuara]

Forum moderators/administrators can talk a a thing or two about stupid people talking stupid things. What keep forum staff in their jobs?

[theonlyrealman]

Then, that dev, our last hope, started to feel pissed about flame? If yes, then i have bad news: It's probably the excuse he will use to not release his work (that actualy, does not exist).
Kakarotos already started with some mathieulish talking, and you know the fate of all work people like this claim to have.
Kakarotos is our new Mathieul. The PS3 scene has the most fragile devs of all scenes.

[hamtah]

Originally Posted by japsander in their defense, some devs say things in a private channel that get spread around and then they are forced to answer the rumours or get flamed for hiding things. its not "always" their fault and other times they require help so they need to announce in order to get the help. those with outrageous claims however that have not even started work should just keep it to themselves until they are sure IMO and those who say "i know but im not telling you"? well they DO deserve disrespect for disrespecting everyone else there are no excuses for people to flame devs that have done no wrong though. thats like your family flaming you for doing their laundry saying that they should put up with the flames or they are weak is a piss poor excuse TBH

If Kaka would have kept his mouth shut, he wouldn't be complaining about the spammers. One month ago he told us about his exploit; imagine all the spam he has by now. If he could have told us a day or even a week before, it wouldn't have killed him.

Less spam = less complaining

I don't blame him to try keeping something like this to himself, but will it really hurt him to give us the news a week before? Look at all the people asking him for ETAs, if he would have announced it at release, it would have been so much easier. In all due respect, I say KaKa continues with his work, and next time NOT tell us if he is releasing something; which will be released three months prior to when he tells us.

[eliteforces]

Originally Posted by Annelies If a developer is really passionate about his/her work and what they do then they will keep releasing **** even if they are getting flamed so getting flamed does not even matter.

That statement does not entirely make sense. If the developers are passionate about their work then they will be satisfied by just completing it. In our case, by saying leaving the scene they are just simply leaving the spotlight and stop releasing their work. They could, and probably do, in their own time continue to work on whatever they are doing. They do not, however, need to release their work to be passionate about something. Getting flamed is what deters them from releasing. In the end, it only affects end users. The devs will still feel a sense of accomplishment release or no release. Show them a little bit of respect instead of flaming them.

[Wolfie708]

@eliteforces

I agree, BUT........... It goes both ways. It is foolish at the least to group all devs under the same umbrella.

There are arsehole devs as well as arsehole numpty's (that's Me lol) and I for one give respect when it is earned.

18 month ago there was virtually none of this respect garbage as the devs said they were working on something and gave an estimate when it would be completed so we waited and they delivered or admitted to f'ing up and we accepted that.

It went from that to them (some) demanding respect and adoration, and telling us to sit wagging our tails like little puppy dogs only for it to turn out that they were talking garbage anyways, so sorry, but they (some) are the main reason that respect has been lost.

That's just my opinion of course, but based on what I have read and seen. I could be soooooooo wrong and if I am I will be the first to admit it, but I doubt I am.

[eliteforces]

Originally Posted by Wolfie708 @eliteforces I agree, BUT........... It goes both ways. It is foolish at the least to group all devs under the same umbrella. There are arsehole devs as well as arsehole numpty's (that's Me lol) and I for one give respect when it is earned. 18 month ago there was virtually none of this respect garbage as the devs said they were working on something and gave an estimate when it would be completed so we waited and they delivered or admitted to f'ing up and we accepted that. It went from that to them (some) demanding respect and adoration, and telling us to sit wagging our tails like little puppy dogs only for it to turn out that they were talking garbage anyways, so sorry, but they (some) are the main reason that respect has been lost. That's just my opinion of course, but based on what I have read and seen. I could be soooooooo wrong and if I am I will be the first to admit it, but I doubt I am.

I do agree with what you have said. I was just picking apart the statement. Personally, I think the problem is these dev's are to mainstream and the end users want to know too much. We need releases from the devs without needing to know how it is being done. I have said it before and I'll say it again. As end users we have no need to know whats going on behind the releases. Why make it public and make sonys job easier to patch it up?