[rafa11]

Originally Posted by Wolfie708 PMSL......... Do you really fail to understand that you are a hypocrite then? You admit to being a Pirate (I NEVER said it was right or wrong btw), and then you label ALL users of TB as bad because in your eyes it is JUST for Piracy. Technically you are worse as the games you do not like you have Pirated with Zero cost to yourself (in the case of the purchased TB discs). The fact is (and Yes, it IS a fact) that you do NOT know how EACH person uses anything, and that includes how they use TB so how can you judge them? As I said, hate TB itself, but do not label everyone the same @pereb27 That is an issue between TB and whoever buys the discs, so again we cannot judge as we do not have access to their game collections do we? I personally dislike TB as a company/group, but until an INDIVIDUAL user states outright that they use it for the SOLE person of Piracy then why does ANYBODY get all het up and stressed about them? Have your opinions by all means, just stop labelling everyone with them. The ONLY group that has Proven to be Pirates in the TB saga are TB themselves

I didn't bust the PS3 open, now did I? Did I upload the games to the web?
This forum does not condone piracy, right?
When I got my PS3, I never thought of hacking it, to begin with.
I pirate, because the SCENE has allowed me to pirate.
What other usages can you find for TB, instead of piracy?
PLEASE, enlighten me!
All I'm saying is that TB is a disease because it should be free.
Piracy for all that it is should be FREE. We shouldn't be obliged to pay for piracy.
That's the sole reason why TB is wrong. And PIRACY ISN'T BAD!
As a final word: those who buy TB may not all be pirates,
but they are paying for something that should be completely free.

[GregoryRasputin]

Originally Posted by rafa11 What other usages can you find for TB, instead of piracy? PLEASE, enlighten me!

Whilst i do think that around 90% of TB owners are pirates, there are those that do own their own games, that haven't been able to play them, due to firmware restriction, so the other usage for TB is to play your own legitimately bought games, i just said something positive about TB, im away to wash my hands and eyes >.<

Originally Posted by rafa11 but they are paying for something that should be completely free.

That is so true, but that is how this scene really stated, with the original JB, though the difference between the original JB and this one, is the original brought us homebrew on our consoles, where this TB is solely for games and still only runs on 3.55.

It is a pointless device, now if it worked on 4.0 and it allowed people on 3.56+ to play backups and homebrew, i would see less of a problem with it.

[/toto67]

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin ..., i just said something positive about TB, im away to wash my hands and eyes >.<

it seems there is always a way to see "something" positive, even to a thing what is in the own point of view the evil.

some kind of adult wisdom or the lightness of the distance, whatever it works.

[OoZic]

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[fuRh7]

Originally Posted by Wolfie708 PMSL......... Do you really fail to understand that you are a hypocrite then? You admit to being a Pirate (I NEVER said it was right or wrong btw), and then you label ALL users of TB as bad because in your eyes it is JUST for Piracy. Technically you are worse as the games you do not like you have Pirated with Zero cost to yourself (in the case of the purchased TB discs). The fact is (and Yes, it IS a fact) that you do NOT know how EACH person uses anything, and that includes how they use TB so how can you judge them? As I said, hate TB itself, but do not label everyone the same @pereb27 That is an issue between TB and whoever buys the discs, so again we cannot judge as we do not have access to their game collections do we? I personally dislike TB as a company/group, but until an INDIVIDUAL user states outright that they use it for the SOLE person of Piracy then why does ANYBODY get all het up and stressed about them? Have your opinions by all means, just stop labelling everyone with them. The ONLY group that has Proven to be Pirates in the TB saga are TB themselves

I dont understant your point of view. How is a dongle, that supports only 3.60+ piracy, an honest buy ? They are selling, something that is not developed by them ! If they would be creators of 3.60+ games, and sell the dongle to play them on 3.55 CFW. No objections. It is a complete difference between TB and original JB. Original JB made a possibility to create homebrew, to save yourself a lot of grief if you wanted to preserve your BD . Little bit of that also is done by TB. But come on, stop worshiping them as gods. Because of people like them, there are ACTA and PIPA etc. EVERYONE HERE, pirated a game ! Be honest, but most of us do that to see if a game is worth its money. I bought almost 70BD games, more than that i swapped with someone. CFW for me is something that is my right to do with stuff I bought, and no one will tell me it is illegal . But profiting from someone elses hard work. It makes me sick. The TB dongle only enables playing 3.60+ games on CFW, nothing else, everything else and more, is possible with Kmeaw or rebug etc
PS - The discs that they are selling ? Out of distasteful words for them.

[Wolfie708]

Originally Posted by fuRh7 I dont understant your point of view. How is a dongle, that supports only 3.60+ piracy, an honest buy ? They are selling, something that is not developed by them ! If they would be creators of 3.60+ games, and sell the dongle to play them on 3.55 CFW. No objections. It is a complete difference between TB and original JB. Original JB made a possibility to create homebrew, to save yourself a lot of grief if you wanted to preserve your BD . Little bit of that also is done by TB. But come on, stop worshiping them as gods. Because of people like them, there are ACTA and PIPA etc. EVERYONE HERE, pirated a game ! Be honest, but most of us do that to see if a game is worth its money. I bought almost 70BD games, more than that i swapped with someone. CFW for me is something that is my right to do with stuff I bought, and no one will tell me it is illegal . But profiting from someone elses hard work. It makes me sick. The TB dongle only enables playing 3.60+ games on CFW, nothing else, everything else and more, is possible with Kmeaw or rebug etc PS - The discs that they are selling ? Out of distasteful words for them.

Did you actually read my post?

If you did just where did I say I am for TB? You obviously struggled with the bit I put in Bold "I personally dislike TB as a company/group"

I dislike TB, but it is wrong to label all the users of it as Pirates.

You have just highlighted the Main problem with this 'scene' in that you are unable to read a full post and jump straight on the first thing your hate button is drawn to.

Please read it again, and once you have then I will accept your apology for even daring to suggest I worship them as Gods.

[pereb27]

Originally Posted by fuRh7 Because of people like them, there are ACTA and PIPA etc.

Oh god.
As much as I dislike TB, this statement is completely wrong.
Pirates didn't cause ACTA, SOPA and PIPA. What caused them is the greedy record labels, MPAA, RIAA etc who are making more money than we could ever imagine (I read something about $40 billion a year) but yet think they don't make enough. Hell, even music artists who know a little on how the Internet works think music piracy isn't a bad thing. I also read something (can't remember where) about artists themselves not making as much money as people think, due to the labels milking them!
Also the ones behind those laws have nothing to do with video game developers, they're the ones running the music and movie industry, which is ironic because those make a ****load of income from concerts, cinema and what not, while video game developers only make money from selling the games.

[Rixevo]

why do all topics end up talking about true blue

F**k em and forget about em

[<GEEK>]

Isn't there already a couple dozen "Screw You True Blue" threads. The device is a hiccup in the scene, but people need to stop creating a red herring with it, derailing every thread on the forum. It gets tiresome reading the same sh*t over and over, only difference being an irrelevant thread title (e.g. KaKaRoTo giving up has absolutely nothing to do with TB). True Story.

[fuRh7]

Wow. Forget anything I said. Sorry wolfie. But for the pirates being responsible for SOPA and PIPA. Of course they are responsible. Why would the greedy companies actually force those two laws , if no one would be stealing their copyrighted material ? If every one would have to buy their stuff, what good would SOPA and PIPA do ? Absolutely nothing. And yes, greedy companies hate individuals, who sell stolen stuff. ex - Games, Music, etc