[japsander]

Originally Posted by Warning If you all love xbox so much then why are you all haunting the ps3 scene ?

i love the ps3 so why not?
theres no fanboyism here
loving a system != loving the people who control it right?

[kian2002]

this was my whole point the people who buy the tools fund the scene and i love the xbox scene i have a lot in my slim i have the drive mod the rgh and i got a wasabi to
but there is no tools to hack the ps3 so no funding thus no break trough .

[BobbyBlunt]

Originally Posted by Warning If you all love xbox so much then why are you all haunting the ps3 scene ?

I love all the current gen consoles. My wii is more used than my ps3 at this point. Also it is not us that "haunt" this scene. We want to see progress ,but I wouldn't expect a person that supports paying someone for piracy to understand.

[TizzyT]

O.o there are tools.... what chu talking about Willis? its just we need more then tools for the PS3, now that they have implemented the protection scheme properly the PS3 is by far the hardest to hack, more so then the 360 even though they have some similar aspects. Extremely hard != impossible. Time heals all wounds as well as breaking security implementations :P, and so Patience is a virtue.

[Warning]

Just doing my best to add drama to the drama section.
Anyone else got any yang to go with my Yin

[JOshISPoser]

apparently people don't know about dual booting. you can use homebrew and the latest games. :O

[Misfit M]

Originally Posted by JOshISPoser apparently people don't know about dual booting. you can use homebrew and the latest games. :O

I thought about trying a Progskeet, but the TB dongle felt easier and safer. Most people dont want to tamper with any hardware mods. Just reading about Xbox 360 hacking makes my brain hurt.

[advocatusdiaboli]

Maybe you make your definition of the scene too wide, when you include the desperate housewives... or whatever you want to name the drama queens.

[svenmullet]

A late addition to this thread. That statement about xbox scene being "funded" does not apply to ps3. There are no known "software only" exploits on x360 that allow a custom firmware. Do you want a hacked 360? Okay, you need to buy some hardware. That is because it's *needed* to pwn the machine.

Thanks to Sony's implementation of a "service mode" that uses USB, we eventually found some keys that let us do whatever the hell we want with the machine (mostly, I'll get to that in a bit) As long as you're on 3.55 or below, you can easily download (or make your own, using a handy MFW builder) an update PUP which will give you modified firmware. No hardware needed. See the difference? It's in no-one's interest to go any further with it except for hobby hackers at that point, which is what some uber-nerds did, figured it all out, and either kept it to themselves or figured out a way to make money. Another approach would be, say, a way to downgrade from >3.55... oh wait, that exists. (and it's a good thing it does, I support useful, open hardware projects like progskeet) It's when you have something like TB that I get mad. What does this dongle do, exactly? I always hear the supporters say something like "Exactly what it says it does, allows us to play new games on 3.55" except that is 100% false: what the dongle (you know, the hardware you paid for) does is simply communicates with the CFW to make sure it's there. It serves no purpose other than to ensure that some idiot paid 60 bucks for some patches. And what is your end result? You have a $4 security dongle, you have to run their CFW, and you rely on them to make with the eboots. Filthy, stinking, *dirty* bullsh*t. They're basically selling you CFW with a dongle to authenticate. If that's what you want, knock yourself out I guess.
Which gets back to 360 vs ps3; you can't compare them. Modifying your 360 is like upgrading your video card- there's no way to do it through software. I'm not talking about the drive fw hack either, I mean running arbitrary code on it. If someone figured out a way to make 360 backups run off the hard drive using no hardware and tried to obfuscate it with some bull**** hardware dongle and sell it... well, that's not going to happen anyway, but if it did, they would be crucified. Everything the TB CFW does (and it's not a lot, really, it checks to make sure the dongle is there, and runs NPDRM'd fselfs) can be reversed and duplicated in "open" cfw, but there's virtually no one (hardware makers) funding anyone to research. The "hobbyist" hackers all left in a puff of drama, or went underground after egohot and graf got sued, or decided to make some money.
Well, that's not how I roll. I'll grudgingly pay for a hack once in a while if it's the only way, but I usually find just waiting it out eventually pays off. Not in the PS3 "scene" though. Look at FMCB for PS2. Or original Xbox softmod and XBMC. Or Dark Alex CFW coming out an hour after a new OFW. The PS3, however, has not had an open cracking scene since about this time last year. It took the nerds a few months to figure out how to encapsulate their exploits in a secure, marketable format, and here we are, the scene is dead. Thanks, profiteers.

[japsander]

@svenmullet very well said