[anon-2012]

Originally Posted by oPolo Another aspect... With all the hate in the scene(Although it seems as it has reduced in severity?), many could and would loose the motivation to continue, before reaching the goal.. Although they receive support also... Maybe it could be another catalyst, for wanting to reach the goal and keep going.

I do think something like this would be highly succesful but word would have to get round the other sites witch wouldn't be an easy task due to rules from other sites about mentioning the competition.

Also something like this would have to be heavily moderated and rules would have to be enforced but other scenes have proved this can be done and can be highly successful even going as far to being a yearly event.

Just a little food for thought here but i was told by an iPhone developer not so long ago the recent release of the A5 jailbreak netted him and his team a whopping $65k + in donations in the week they released that was just in $5 to $10 dollar donations here and there this subject was brought up in a conversation about donators claiming they had donated 100s of dollars when in reality it wasnt.

The iPhone scene is quite big but i dont see why the ps3 scene couldnt raise a nice bounty/reward.

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IMHO there would have to be trutsworthy people running the thing and also alot of promotion maybe a month or so donation drive to get something started but giving potential devs/hackers/reverser time to start there projects

[bigo93]

Originally Posted by anon-2012 Just a little food for thought here but i was told by an iPhone developer not so long ago the recent release of the A5 jailbreak netted him and his team a whopping $65k + in donations in the week they released that was just in $5 to $10 dollar donations here and there this subject was brought up in a conversation about donators claiming they had donated 100s of dollars when in reality it wasnt.

Unlike the iphone, the ps3 is still illegal to hack, according to $ony's terms. Until games consoles are put on the same level as homebrew on smartphones, $ony will probably try to sue those they can easily find.

Sure we can donate to a dedicated ps3hax paypal account, and then pay the person who makes a new exploit. But sony will either tell paypal to block the paypal account, freezing all the donations made, and they could track the person who jailbreak the console via the payment method used to pay them.

Thats the problem, it's hard for sony to track down someone in china and sue them, but when the can have the courts track a money transfer they can find the person just like that.

[anon-2012]

Originally Posted by bigo93 Unlike the iphone, the ps3 is still illegal to hack, according to $ony's terms. Until games consoles are put on the same level as homebrew on smartphones, $ony will probably try to sue those they can easily find. Sure we can donate to a dedicated ps3hax paypal account, and then pay the person who makes a new exploit. But sony will either tell paypal to block the paypal account, freezing all the donations made, and they could track the person who jailbreak the console via the payment method used to pay them. Thats the problem, it's hard for sony to track down someone in china and sue them, but when the can have the courts track a money transfer they can find the person just like that.

Sure there are legal implications but sony wouldnt know the paypal untill after the transaction also who is to say this would be for a CFW? there are other reasons a charity of this kind could be run?

i just planted a seed it has no benefit for me iam neither a coder or a user so how the idea grows would be entirely up to who run it
Also the people who take part/potential winner/s would know the risk that was involved and there not being paid to do a job they are being rewarded for a contribution isnt this how geohot managed his donations?

[bigo93]

Cos $ony keep an eye on these forums, even used posts made by people in court! Yup $ony used website forum posts as "evidence" in court :P and the court accepted it!

Also we'd have to know which account to donate to, we cant tell everyone in secret.

[anon-2012]

Originally Posted by bigo93 Cos $ony keep an eye on these forums, even used posts made by people in court! Yup $ony used website forum posts as "evidence" in court :P and the court accepted it! Also we'd have to know which account to donate to, we cant tell everyone in secret.

As i mentioned before. The people taking part would indeed know the risk involved just like they know the risk now but yet still search for potential exploits.

Progress always comes with a certain amount of risk.

People try to find exploits everyday just for the rep how much interest would a cash bounty generate? On the donator's event holders side there would be no risk its just a combined donation.

Might i just add while were on the subject of being sued by sony that this organisation was brought to its knees by a well known group that believe in freedom of speech. Common knowledge is that the ps3 devs and hackers were in fact the ones who caused "the great sony outage" This is entrely wrong it was brought down by people who didn't care about the ps3 scene they care about human rights and sony had violoated these rights by taking Geohot to court for tampering with something he owned. Regardless of said outcome do you think Sony would want this all over again? Or is it a case that Sony is afraid of the people and the people are scared of them? sort of a stale mate really they lost a load of money during that time not to mention bribing officials and court costs and im sure they wont want history repeating itself.

[jr3277]

Originally Posted by bigo93 Unlike the iphone, the ps3 is still illegal to hack, according to $ony's terms. Until games consoles are put on the same level as homebrew on smartphones, $ony will probably try to sue those they can easily find. Sure we can donate to a dedicated ps3hax paypal account, and then pay the person who makes a new exploit. But sony will either tell paypal to block the paypal account, freezing all the donations made, and they could track the person who jailbreak the console via the payment method used to pay them. Thats the problem, it's hard for sony to track down someone in china and sue them, but when the can have the courts track a money transfer they can find the person just like that.

simple if the creator makes a user agreement that states this is not for use on psn and for testing purpose only. Here is a quote from case SCEA maintains the suit is valid because Hotz logged on to the PSN. Then it is up to the individual who uses the new firmware if they want to break the agreement.

[Wolfie708]

Originally Posted by jr3277 simple if the creator makes a user agreement that states this is not for use on psn and for testing purpose only. Here is a quote from case SCEA maintains the suit is valid because Hotz logged on to the PSN. Then it is up to the individual who uses the new firmware if they want to break the agreement.

Not quite right sad to say. GH's specific case was based on PSN etc, but it is a standing rule that you can do whatever you wish for your own personal use.

As soon as you distribute any altered code (if it is copyrighted of course) you are committing a crime

[anon-2012]

@Wolfie708

i would like to say though that a donation or prize fund may bring out interesting results maybe even some open source software that doesnt involve the modification of a sony OFW would you agree?

[Wolfie708]

Originally Posted by anon-2012 @Wolfie708 i would like to say though that a donation or prize fund may bring out interesting results maybe even some open source software that doesnt involve the modification of a sony OFW would you agree?

I agree totally, but again sad to say that from what I have seen over the last 12 months or so, the ones who currently have the knowledge refuse to share it no matter what.

Thumbs up to the ones who are trying and learning now as regardless of how far they get, they seem to actually care about the scene and are not just in it for an ego boost like the 'old guard' are.

Of course that is just my opinion, but like I say, 12 months plus of seeing so called hints and intentional blocks being put in the way is proof empiracal from where I am standing lol

[jr3277]

Originally Posted by Wolfie708 Not quite right sad to say. GH's specific case was based on PSN etc, but it is a standing rule that you can do whatever you wish for your own personal use. As soon as you distribute any altered code (if it is copyrighted of course) you are committing a crime

Okay thanks for the info. the next question is how do we find a way around that? Lets say someone is able to accomplish this How about a major release on every file sharing site with thousands of links to hide the origin of it? LOl I better stop making custom patches for friends. Let me ask you this would this be in violation if I remove things not alter them? Not codes or scripts but whole files