[sahibunlimited]

Why not create a petition here?

[pepethedon]

I don't know if too much will come of this but I'm with you either way @svenmullet

[japsander]

Where the **** is anon?
When Sony act with less vicious actions they are in the spotlight hunting fame and nut hugs but when a team actively attack the general public because of a competitors product they pass on it without second thought.

That confirms my original opinion on them

[butnut]

Originally Posted by svenmullet @butnut : I don't really know what your feelings are about TB (I assume you have one and think it's a good product?) I'm not against it because it's a bandwagon to jump on, nor am I just "*****ing" about it because I want everything to be free. I hate this thing because of what it represents, namely exploiting impatient kids with the promise of "free" games. Even if/when this thing is cracked wide open, I doubt I'll use the resulting information to play pirated games, I mean, I'm currently playing Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2008. I just really don't care about playing the latest/greatest games, but I know a lot of people do, and that's what makes me rage. If anything, the reason I'm so actively against this thing is because I actually *care* about other people and don't like seeing fellow sceners getting taken advantage of. In this case, they seem to be their own worst enemy though, and defend their oppressors. I guess you just can't save some people from themselves. What they're doing, though, whether they realise it or not, is stopping all progress. They have what they want, who cares about anything/anyone else? And TB has set a bad precedent here, namely monetized piracy. No one likes 'working' for free, that's true, but real hackers don't consider it 'work', the console scenes were traditionally free and open, and that paradigm seems to be gone forever. You want me to shut up about TB? Fine, you go ahead and continue getting shafted by some parasitic scumbags. As I said, you can't save some people from themselves, and myself and other like-minded people will leave you to your new overlords. Better use lube.

I don't own a TB, so no need for lube instead I bought a cech-3000 back in december, and so far I only have three 3.56+ games but at least I can play new games on my terms and have the option of online and dlc. Even back when the ps3 first was hacked I didn't buy any dongles, I did buy a refurbished ipod, and that can and has been used for more than jailbreaking a ps3 so I felt it was worth the purchase.

I don't think TB is a good thing, but I don't see how TB being on the market will stop anybody from releasing a free method of playing 3.56+ games, If someone wants to do it then they will.

You say "the console scenes were traditionally free and open" but I seem to remember the ps1 requiring the purchase of a modchip to play games from a different region, factory pressed or not. I think the ps2 had modchip's initially( before FMCB) I don't know anything about the x-box1 scene, but the 360 and gc/wii(initially) requires some kind of purchase to hack, even that sega console(was it the dreamcast?) required the purchase of cdr's to play backups. The only traditionally free scenes I know of are: the pc and the psp neither of which are consoles. Nowadays there are free softmod solutions for most of these systems but they did not start out that way.

Again I am not trying to defend TB, but what else is there?

[japsander]

@butnut
every other scene sells hardware when required so cannot be compared to this. TB is a forced requirement. the cfw plays the games with the dongle being purely DRM see here

also no other scene adds malware to their products to harm the end user in order to protect from competition

[jr3277]

I have said it before and will say it again I bought a PS3 to play PS3 games and not just old ones. nowhere on the box did it say if you don't update to play any new games or you have to buy a 120.00 device to play them
cfw= no PSN and thats fine with me
but to say I can't play any new games, I thought it was our choice to update but instead are forced or stuck with something that cost 120.00 dollars.
Lets add this up
PS3 when I bought it 549.99
unusable DLC's 300.00
TB 120.00
the price of buying sony products FU(king worthless

[psyki]

SENT are there any more links???

[Pockets69]

people complaining ps3crunch is the other way

[Firebuble]

Originally Posted by furtsiv here is a solution : we gather money then we kidnap tb devs ..

or we can raise some money and hire some mercenaries... i'm just sayin

[butnut]

Originally Posted by japsander @butnut every other scene sells hardware when required so cannot be compared to this. TB is a forced requirement. the cfw plays the games with the dongle being purely DRM see here also no other scene adds malware to their products to harm the end user in order to protect from competition

I liked you post because I like it, however I think you may not have considered some alternate points to your argument before posting.

"every other scene sells hardware when required so cannot be compared to this"

Were is the option that does not require a purchase to play most 3.56+ ps3 games?

That option surely does exist, but it has not been made publicly available, so for all practical intents and purposes it does not exist.

Some devs are sitting on that option, while other devs try to give it to you, unfortunately the only "devs" who allow the general public to play most 3.56+ ps3 games chose to charge money for it.

In the current situation this scene is in, there is no free option to play most 3.56+ ps3 games, I wish there was because I could test a game and decide if I liked it or not before making a purchase. Unfortunately that option is not available to me.

I will quote you again: "no other scene adds malware to their products to harm the end user in order to protect from competition"

That may be true, I really don't know.

What I do know is jbking and other clones are not competition for TB.

Real competition would provide an alternate method of producing the same result while using none of TB's "works" as it's own and therefore would not be subject to TB's malware.

If jbking and other clones were actually real honest competition then they would release their own version of modded eboots and CFW/MFW.
In other words, develop your own **** or GTFO.

Why haven't they?

Because they are parasites of TB, they cannot do anything unless TB does it first, so if a group choose's to be a parasite of a parasite then they( and their users ) will be subject to not only the source's(SONY/it's games devs)
anti piracy methods, but also to the original parasite's methods as well.

And TB is a parasite of SONY/it's games devs.

Since TB is a parasite and clones of TB are a parasite that has attached itself to a parasite, what does that make the users of TB or it's clones?


The way I see it is the scene wants games and homebrew for free and I also believe it should be that way, but the reality is the scene currently does not work this way.
Right now we have to pay if we want 3.56+ games, there is no other free method even if you update or buy a new ps3.

If people want to stay on cfw/mfw I hope they will, but for those of you who want new games, please update or buy a new ps3 instead of buying a TB or its clones.

Maybe you think games are too expensive, well then, don't buy them. That is my opinion.

A scene should be free, That is my opinion, but as this scene stands, it is not free.
So what good will result from removing the only option of playing backups of 3.56+ games unless you immediately provide an alternate solution.

I have said about all I can say on this issue, So If my point has not been properly conveyed by now, then it never will be, as such I am done with this topic.

Do whatever you guys want, but please think about what I said.
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Originally Posted by jr3277 I have said it before and will say it again I bought a PS3 to play PS3 games and not just old ones. nowhere on the box did it say if you don't update to play any new games or you have to buy a 120.00 device to play them cfw= no PSN and thats fine with me but to say I can't play any new games, I thought it was our choice to update but instead are forced or stuck with something that cost 120.00 dollars. Lets add this up PS3 when I bought it 549.99 unusable DLC's 300.00 TB 120.00 the price of buying sony products FU(king worthless

"nowhere on the box" huh? you are right, but I gurantee you neglected to read the part that said

"The system software included within this product is subject to a limited license from sony computer entertainment inc.
Refer to www.scei.co.jp/ps3-eula for further details."

that text is on the box for my cech-200X, cech-250X and cech-300X,
if you actually go to the indicated website and read what is there you will read this

"3. SERVICES AND UPDATES

From time to time, SCE may provide updates, upgrades or services to your PS3™ system to ensure it is functioning properly in accordance with SCE guidelines or provide you with new offerings. Some services may be provided automatically without notice when you are online, and others may be available to you through SCE's online network or authorized channels. Without limitation, services may include the provision of the latest update or download of new release that may include security patches, new technology or revised settings and features which may prevent access to unauthorized or pirated content, or use of unauthorized hardware or software in connection with the PS3™ system."

The bold part is exactly what you stated was not on the box, while true the box does not contain the emboldened text the box does in fact direct you to it.

If you chose to not follow through or examine everything pertaining to the purchase of a ps3 before you chose to make that purchase, then only you are to blame for you non satisfaction.