[Firebuble]

Originally Posted by Calliope You just proved my point without knowing it! My point is EXACTLY that there are aspects that are valid as well as there are aspects that are invalid! And I can say that without stating which are valid or invalid. Are you telling me that there have not been made any corrections to the data present there ever since the Wiki was created until now? And can you guarantee that there won't be any corrections made in the future? If so then you're stating that you know everything there is to know in regards to the PS3, which would be quite stupid to presume. The data present there changes as do our knowledge in regards to the PS3. Only ignorant people will say that we now know all there is to know in regards to the PS3 because that would be outright stupid to think so. We do have a lot of information, but we do not have enough information to declare what is the ultimate truth in regards to the PS3 and the information we have. There are two ways to approach your dilemma: I either falsify or verify. Verifying the information there is easy as I would only look for things that would agree with my perception of things. Falsifying is much harder thus more scientific. Now stop riding my di*k and use your resources to something useful for the scene

and you just proved my point that you are another guy trying to looks like a very important people... not like too many around here, but with philosophical **** as only you can do

[Calliope]

Originally Posted by Firebuble and you just proved my point that you are another guy trying to looks like a very important people... not like too many around here, but with philosophical **** that only you can do

I don't understand what your point is by quoting "looks like a very important people", but I am not here to seem somewhat A or B. I am here to solve a problem or try to, which have had this scene at a standstill for at long time. And I do use logics, probability theory and falsification. Finding and solving the causal connection between what is working and what is not is of the essence. We all have our strengths and weaknesses. The point is not what you do have, but more what can you bring to the table and would it benefit the situation. We all have our take on the situation and our way of solving a problem. I work in a problem-orientated manner. I don't honestly see what your point was in your last post nor in this post. You seem like an ignoramus to me with your last remark.

[svenmullet]

Troll... senses... tingling...

[Cheesethief]

Originally Posted by Firebuble and you just proved my point that you are another guy trying to looks like a very important people... not like too many around here, but with philosophical **** as only you can do

So you are saying... We should stop criticizing the information developers post and take it all as the one and only truth?

[Firebuble]

Originally Posted by Calliope I don't understand what your point is by quoting "looks like a very important people"

no? really?

Originally Posted by Calliope You seem like an ignoramus to me with your last remark.

u remembered me a saying of my grandpa "stupid use rare words (like latin words) to look smart"

sure i am an ignoramus, but u r a leecher and an ignoramus, in that order

[Calliope]

Originally Posted by Cheesethief So you are saying... We should stop criticizing the information developers post and take it all as the one and only truth?

Some people just don't think for themselves. They just believe what they are told as drones. Reasoning can seem what impossible for some
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Originally Posted by Firebuble no? really? u remembered me a saying of my grandpa "stupid use rare words (like latin words) to look smart" sure i am an ignoramus, but u r a leecher and an ignoramus, in that order

So now you're quoting your grandfather to verify the fact that you're an ignoramus? And you sure are the finest one around because you don't comprehend the word leecher nor the proper usage of ignoramus. And it seems like you have mistaken this thread for a d*ck riding competition

[chuchutranny]

Originally Posted by Cheesethief So you are saying... We should stop criticizing the information developers post and take it all as the one and only truth?

If the information is false, point it out. If you don't know, on what grounds do you find it justifiable to criticize the informer?

[Calliope]

Originally Posted by chuchutranny If the information is false, point it out. If you don't know, on what grounds do you find it justifiable to criticize the informer?

He is not saying whether the information is right nor wrong. What he is referring to is source criticism. Don't be naive a drone and just believe whatever you are told. Think for yourself and draw your own conclusions by looking things through and verifying or falsifying the data.
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Originally Posted by svenmullet Troll... senses... tingling...

Maybe you should get that checked! Usually sexually transmitted diseases (STD) creates the tingling senses felling you're felling

[defyboy]

Originally Posted by Calliope You just proved my point without knowing it! My point is EXACTLY that there are aspects that are valid as well as there are aspects that are invalid! And I can say that without stating which are valid or invalid. Are you telling me that there have not been made any corrections to the data present there ever since the Wiki was created until now? And can you guarantee that there won't be any corrections made in the future? If so then you're stating that you know everything there is to know in regards to the PS3, which would be quite stupid to presume. The data present there changes as do our knowledge in regards to the PS3. Only ignorant people will say that we now know all there is to know in regards to the PS3 because that would be outright stupid to think so. We do have a lot of information, but we do not have enough information to declare what is the ultimate truth in regards to the PS3 and the information we have. There are two ways to approach your dilemma: I either falsify or verify. Verifying the information there is easy as I would only look for things that would agree with my perception of things. Falsifying is much harder thus more scientific. Now stop riding my di*k and use your resources to something useful for the scene

As stated, you either falsify or verify. You accused the wiki of containing little more than hearsay so put your money where your mouth is and point out the obvious falsities.

Everyone expects proven information, but will not go into the lengths required to verify said information for themselves. If the wiki was to cite another untrustworthy blog, a faked youtube video or a forum thread does that make it any more correct? The wiki states the plain and simple facts, either believe them, reproduce and verify, or disprove them.

Do not ever bash the wiki contributors who give up huge amounts of their own free time to collect, sort and verify the very information you say is misleading. Especially if you cannot back up your claim.

If anyone could *ever* know all that there is to know about the PS3, Euss be the first. A walking encyclopaedia of everything that is PS3 and has made more contributions and edits on the wiki than possibly everyone else combined. Who the **** are you to attack him and make such claims of his usefulness? All we've seen from you so far is a bunch of misleading posts (irony?) on subjects you know nothing about, accusations about why the scene doesn't make progress, false attacks on the resources we have and personal attacks on members.

We were better off before you arrived and would not notice if you left, now is your chance to **** off before people get angry.

[Firebuble]

Originally Posted by Calliope it seems like you have mistaken this thread for a d*ck riding competition

are you serious? lets see...

Originally Posted by euss Funny how you first portrayed ps3devwiki as a chaos mangled bunch of crap manipulated by corrupt developers, then refused to answer repeatively what information was wrong on wiki and if so, why you haven't corrected it as a wiki makes possible. Then you come back with another thread, requoting it as a reputable source, confirming its correctness, validating the 7 months ago posted edits on wiki and basicly transforming a forumthread into a wiki talk page (with the absence of code, link, reference tags, as you could on a wiki) xD What is next? /files ? /gitorious ? ps3devwikiforumthreadwiki ?

Originally Posted by Calliope I never said that the entire PS3DevWiki was wrong or manipulated. I merely stated that some passages of it might or was wrongfully manipulated to serve others interest. Collecting and using information is apart of researching. Being able to delimitate between what is useful and important to the subject and what is not. Finding and collecting information and adding ideas and thoughts to them is part of the important process to reach the end goal. First you aquire the needed knowledge, then you make an assessment of what is needed and then you implement.

Originally Posted by euss So yet you go on with accusing, yet without proof nor pointing out /which/ passage is wrong, /which/ information is manipulated etc. and still requoting it as correct, valid, working, proven without /factual/ research, only theorising. Quite a dubious enigma you wish to continue (you are contradicting yourself). Well, theorise this: the information on ps3devwiki is carefully inspected on every edit for correctness. If there is any doubt about the validity of data, it is surrounded by ?questionmarks? or followed by a request for factual data, documents or other that support and prove the claim made in the suspected edit. I highly recommend you reading up on how a wiki works, what mechanisms are in place to secure its correctness and most off all I would appreciate it if you could keep your slander elsewhere where I don't have to read it or other trolls pick it up because they just like kicking developers/documenters and the scene in general. Keep in mind, the ps3devwiki is the collaboration of 418 users posting 12,231 edits on 1,244 pages under the watchfull eye of over 2,072,195 visitors. See also : Remark about ps3devwiki

Originally Posted by Calliope Eventhough I did not at this stage come with specific remarks to passages that are invalid that does not mean that the situation cannot occur. Are you telling me that everything present there at the Wiki 100% correct without any exception? If so, then it should be considered the 8th wonder of the world My point is that source critism is an important factor in scientific research and research methods. I would recommend you trying it someday instead of just believing the first thing you read, hear or see

Originally Posted by euss My point is that you take slander it in one, holy grail it in another and there is NULL academic/scientific research done in the matter to PROVE or DISPROVE. My point is that ps3devwiki is constructed as such and yet you both DENY and ACCUSE again that this is untrue (even worse, you accuse ps3devwiki to be constructed of hearsay) So second time: put your money where your mouth is and prove or disprove. Clearly this topic is doing neither. ************* [ - Post Merged - ] ************* Then it should be peanuts to check up on your data before you slander it

Originally Posted by Calliope You just proved my point without knowing it! My point is EXACTLY that there are aspects that are valid as well as there are aspects that are invalid! And I can say that without stating which are valid or invalid. Are you telling me that there have not been made any corrections to the data present there ever since the Wiki was created until now? And can you guarantee that there won't be any corrections made in the future? If so then you're stating that you know everything there is to know in regards to the PS3, which would be quite stupid to presume. The data present there changes as do our knowledge in regards to the PS3. Only ignorant people will say that we now know all there is to know in regards to the PS3 because that would be outright stupid to think so. We do have a lot of information, but we do not have enough information to declare what is the ultimate truth in regards to the PS3 and the information we have. There are two ways to approach your dilemma: I either falsify or verify. Verifying the information there is easy as I would only look for things that would agree with my perception of things. Falsifying is much harder thus more scientific. Now stop riding my di*k and use your resources to something useful for the scene

i'll leave this th, this is too much **** and trolling for me