[BobbyBlunt]

@Benzonia which leads to my first point about not needing a multiple page thread for a little dev work.... dev work yet I dont see him discussing anything of any importance

[nevik]

euss I give you the greatest respect, you have maintained the wiki for the public greatly and I thank you for that it has helped me learn a lot.
(I also want to thank all others who post and contribute info to the wiki)

My one thought is that with the dispute between KaKaroto and Math, and Math being a large contributing member to the wiki, people may be taking the wiki with a grain of salt. I am not saying this is the correct thing for them to do but an understandable perspective.


I was interested to see how TB and duplex were doing what they are doing so i poked around some of there stuff. here is one thing i did learn. One of the releases was still a master disc generated iso for debugs. that iso still has a fself on it and not the original eboot from the actual sony release. I bought Batman Arkham City so i have the original disc and eboot to compare it to. An individual with the correct tools could unfself the fself from the duplex release and learn something about how they do what they do.

I believe it takes a reference tool to do what they are doing.

[Benzonia]

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin He says "There is some misinformation", if he had said there "was", then perhaps people wouldn't be so annoyed, but saying there "is", when the likes of @euss looks after and maintains the wiki and keeps an eye on all the edits.

Ah, good point. Important enough detail, I see now. So can we all agree to change the tense of a simple verb and move on with some actual discussion then?

[BobbyBlunt]

Originally Posted by nevik and Math being a large contributing member to the wiki, people may be taking the wiki with a grain of salt. I am not saying this is the correct thing for them to do but an understandable perspective.

Math is banned from the wiki

[Benzonia]

Originally Posted by BobbyBlunt @Benzonia which leads to my first point about not needing a multiple page thread for a little dev work.... dev work yet I dont see him discussing anything of any importance

Yeah I'd like to see some discussion of something of importance here too. I hope Calliope can get it going. Let's hope it happens.

[Warning]

What about Breaking the TB2 for all PS3 users.

[euss]

Originally Posted by Benzonia I'm sorry, I really should just scroll back through the last 12 pages to find the answer myself, but... When exactly did Calliope say the wiki was falsified ON PURPOSE? I thought he merely made the claim that it has had, in the past, at some point in time, false information. Which seems reasonable to me, and not slanderous.

he is editing his old posts (to falsify evidence?), but it is still in the requotes, database, google cache and wayback machine

The posts he did leave as such:

Originally Posted by Calliope @ Hamtah, Thanks! I have been reading up on things at the PS3 Wiki for a long time now. There is sadly some misinformation there as well that contradicts what is believed to be true and the path to finally jailbreak the PS3 for good.

Originally Posted by Calliope Originally Posted by svenmullet Welcome to 'hax! Could you start off by telling us what (in your opinion) is the "false information to derail and delude others"? I believe this is the #1 problem with the ps3 'scene', no one really knows who's honest any more. Let me give you a small, but quick example e.g. Math throwing KaKaRoTo in the wrong direction for months on purpose.

Originally Posted by Calliope The same can be said about other PS3 developers, whom have been submitting false information to derail and delude others. They only have their own interest at heart and are not "evil", but want to protect their investment.

Originally Posted by Calliope You didn't hear me say that all of it was wrong nor everything was right. From my experience some of the information there was wrong for some time posted by someone, but was corrected later on. If you want exact pin-points then please refer to those, which maintains the wiki. I honestly believe that he hinted them off in the wrong direction to benefit his own interests at heart.

Originally Posted by TizzyT Also to the OP if you find something wrong or misleading or contradicting correct it if you can or mention it with eussnl or defyboy (they are the two I know of that manages the wiki). Also enjoy your stay at PS3hax

Originally Posted by Calliope Nobody said that the scene was dead, but I simply stated that the scene was a deliberate standstill.

Originally Posted by Calliope Originally Posted by Cheesethief I, and many others I think, have been suspecting that there is false information about the PS3 for some time now. Math is an obvious troll nowadays and when he was "helping" kakaroto, I was pretty sure he wasn't. I ended up being right. He was obviously misleading the scene, but finding other falsified information will probably be a huge task, especially if you cannot test it out on your own console. This is one of the bad things about the PS3devwiki, anyone can edit it and insert bad information with not much chance of being caught unless the info posted is thoroughly checked. Exactly! That is what I meant earlier when I stated that the scene is being flooded with misguided information on purpose! You have to think about whose to gain from all this confusion and trolling? Whose benefitting from it right now = True Blue & Cobra - whom are the same. The ones that are infecting the scene on purpose to make it die are the ones behind the dongles!

Originally Posted by Calliope I wouldn't call it "tips" when they're in the wrong direction, but he is simply "guiding" us in the wrong direction to protect his/their investment = Cobra + True Blue.

Originally Posted by Calliope Exactly! The TruBlue Devs have much more knowledge in regards to the PS3 then the average user in here. They could easily manipulate with the information at PS3 wiki and send people on a wild goose chase then later on just say UPS! We need to focus on reliable information and data that we have rather than listening to unidentified individuals making false claims. Stick to what we know and work together from there!

And then the other topics...

Originally Posted by Calliope I never said that the entire PS3DevWiki was wrong or manipulated. I merely stated that some passages of it might or was wrongfully manipulated to serve others interest.

Originally Posted by Calliope Eventhough I did not at this stage come with specific remarks to passages that are invalid that does not mean that the situation cannot occur. [...] I would recommend you trying it someday instead of just believing the first thing you read, hear or see

Originally Posted by Calliope Wrongful information is by any names wrong and false. Call them lies, holes, undocumented information etc... It amounts to the same at the end.

Originally Posted by Calliope [...] My point is EXACTLY that there are aspects that are valid as well as there are aspects that are invalid! And I can say that without stating which are valid or invalid. [...] Falsifying is much harder thus more scientific. Now stop riding my di*k and use your resources to something useful for the scene

Originally Posted by Calliope This is [..]] in regards to how information is processed. [...] The same goes for the PS3DevWiki. Much of the information there can be true, but you cannot say with 100% guarantee that everything in there is true and correct for eternity. And if you know everything there is to know in regards to the PS3, how come the scene is at a standstill, while you're in it?

Originally Posted by Calliope [...] I never said that it was false I simply suggested that it could be done, when there are Devs from the PS3 scene that properly are behind the TB and Cobra dongles. [...] So either you're lying in regards to the progress and yourself or deluding yourself because of your incompetence to complete the task at hand.

Originally Posted by svenmullet Hmmm, in 2 days, this Calliope has posted some religious/philosophical BS, accused the ps3devwiki of containing intentionally wrong/misleading info (and won't point out a single example), C+Pd a sh1tslurry of random, mostly unrelated posts from various sources, with no context, quoting, or credits (and if I'd not noticed my own words mixed in there and said something it would still be that way), and claims to be immensely knowledgeable in PS3 stuff, yet has contributed nothing but fake "ideas" and wannabe team leading in any conversation I've seen him/her/it in. Now, after a few people got suspicious and asked what's up, he/she/it starts flaming. Is there really any need to finish this post?

Originally Posted by Calliope [...] if you really know all this stuff how come you haven't been able to crack the TB or create a custom firmware yet? Is it your incompetence to do so or your inability accept the fact that you can't do it? The fact remains that the scene is at a standstill and even though you are in it and have deviced the PS3DevWiki you still ain't able do it. Read my previous reply again, because you still don't get it. I don't need to prove anything to you as it is you that has something to prove here. You cannot falsify everything written in there, hell you can't even verify it for a fact as you don't have the complete knowledge of howto. If you truly did then the scene would not have been at the stage which it is. So are you lying to the scene, deluding yourself or are you simply so full of yourself that your incompetence cannot accept the fact that this scene needs all the contribution that it can receive. You do not poses the competence that it takes to move the scene forward on your own and you never will. It's people like you killing the scene because your ladyboy like ego's are killing the members of the scene.[...]

Originally Posted by Calliope The people in this thread are not interested in cracking it. That is why they are polluting threads like this and killing the message. All they're interested in is bl*wing each other while massaging they bloated false ego's, while blowing smoke up their ars*. These people are the reason for the standstill. It's the same persons that flood the threads and stray away people from the task at hand and the end goal! They are killing the scene to profit on the dildos being sold

etc.

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Originally Posted by nevik I was interested to see how TB and duplex were doing what they are doing so i poked around some of there stuff. here is one thing i did learn. One of the releases was still a master disc generated iso for debugs. that iso still has a fself on it and not the original eboot from the actual sony release. I bought Batman Arkham City so i have the original disc and eboot to compare it to. An individual with the correct tools could unfself the fself from the duplex release and learn something about how they do what they do. I believe it takes a reference tool to do what they are doing.

You can dump it too on Linux or with Swiss Army Knife in RAW mode.
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Originally Posted by Warning What about Breaking the TB2 for all PS3 users.

What about putting in some effort and time?

[Benzonia]

Originally Posted by euss he is editing his old posts to falsify evidence, but it is still in the requotes, database, google cache and wayback machine The posts he did leave as such: And then the other topics...

Ok, most of those quotes are not targeting the wiki specifically, and for the few that do, I'm fairly certain that the reference is to Math misdirecting people by editing wiki articles. I may be mistaken, but I definitely never read those to mean @euss or @defyboy or any other wiki editor of any kind.

Now, I can see how you'd be aggravated by the last quote you included -- it does seem to touch upon some accusatory wiki behavior. I'd like to give @Calliope the benefit of the doubt here (which I'm sure you won't, understandably) and believe that he was just bringing up a hypothetical scenario of TB creators manipulating the wiki to serve their interests. I *believe* it was just that, a hypothetical scenario and nothing more. I don't actually think he was arguing it has already happened, is happening, or will happen....but I don't know. Maybe @Calliope can elaborate.

[hellsing9]

Honestly i don't give a flying **** about all this. Turned into a pile of *Cold war, edit = desinformation* thread.

But!.. @euss and @GregoryRasputin and @BobbyBlunt exposed the OP.
So any replies from here, are totally USELESS. Seems we have seen this *collector* editing info and twisting sentences to justify something that there is no need to be justified.

As a HAX member i don't see this as an attack to the OP, since himself did not present anything new.
If you want to stay with that OLD argument that we are holding back the door for new devs. You got to know that it's not true.
So stop for your own sake using that argument again, since it's EMPTY and has no meaning at all.
The doors are open to anyone who wants to enter. The issue it's with this type of argument (old and cliche) it's the most dangerous in the board.

Keep your minds OPEN and learn the difference between a FAKE user and a REAL ONE with good intentions towars us = HAX.

[mcmrc1]

Just close this.thread TrueBlue wins again....