[japsander]

Originally Posted by STLcardsWS So if your always talking TB good or bad you are a pirate.. The focus should be on homebrew....

1st point = not quite true as being anti-DRM != being a pirate. p.s. i have OFW only so i dont get the point really

2nd point = absolutely, which is why TB is also bad as they remove functionality such as peek/poke and otheros yet again

[GregoryRasputin]

Originally Posted by STLcardsWS But if everyone focus is tearing them down then your in it for piracy.. Because why else would you care about it..

See, this is where i get annoyed and the word retard comes to mind, BTW im not calling you a retard, im saying with those statements, the word does come to mind.

1.) I hate TB, because it use DRM and charges money for other peoples work.
2.) I want it ripped apart because i don't think people should be charged for it.
Now you have read those two, and hopefully understood.
3.) I do not have any backup managers on my CFW PS3, i use it solely for homebrew, so you see what you are saying is flawed.

Originally Posted by STLcardsWS Only thing TB has done is shown how many pirates are in the scene

Not everyone that owns TB is a pirate, an odd few people still buy their games and apply the patches.


Finally you moan about "piracy" and talk about homebrew, but the fact remains that the best homebrew, the best emulators are created with the leaked/stolen PS3 SDK, which is exactly the same as piracy.

So you do kinda need to come of the piracy high horse, everyone does it.

[STLcardsWS]

If your on OFW then why be in the scene so heavily.
I don't mean to be disrespectful with that comment. and hope you don't take it like that.

They removed it on a CFW that is for the dongle. correct? So how is that impacting the scene other then for people who are using the dongle.. That doesn't affect you or me..
Just people who have bought a TB. correct?

So i think my points are valid in those regards.. Yea you may not like the DRM. but the DRM is protecting piracy.. Actually if the device didnt have DRM piracy would be a bigger issue..

Not everyone that owns TB is a pirate, an odd few people still buy their games and apply the patches.

I have made that point to you in the past and you have disagreed with me, Glad to see you agree now..

. I am more less talking about people who say the scene is dead and we need to break TB.; those are pirates. because TB is not killing the scene.. Maybe my words came out wrong there..

Its a lack of development on the homebrew side is what is killing the scene..

If people thinks breaking TB will progress the scene you are in it for the wrong reason..


Breaking TB will not progress the scene.. Homebrew development will and thats where the focus should be. IMO..


TB is a joke i agree. but the fact there is more we can do as a scene to progress then to keep this debate up.. 3.55 isnt fully open or else we would have better homebrew and wouldnt have to rely on the SDK as much.. 3.55 still has alot of unknowns.. If we figure out 3.55 and understand it better as a scene.. everything else follows..

[japsander]

Originally Posted by STLcardsWS If your on OFW then why be in the scene so heavily.

im in it for the ride, not simply for what i can get out of it. it simply interests me. i also like the option of having freedom of my **** without restriction being placed upon it.

while tb is here, it draws the attention of everyone. without it, those working on reversing it could likely spend their time on homebrew

people would also like to play their new games as well as homebrew

remember when sony made you choose between linux and games? same applies now.

why was it fine to hate on sony for doing the same thing but not against TB who are worse as they simply sell a license to use their warez releases as well as place restrictions back on the consoles of anyone wanting to play a new game.

also when someone actively attempts to destroy data and attack endusers then it pisses me off no matter who it is.

have you shown support for something you have not been actively engaged in? same applies.

[STLcardsWS]

well said Japsander. ..( i understand your position now, and RESPECT that.) i hate TB just as much as you.. I just feel the focus should be redirected.. i think more can come out of other avenues in the scene..

You do have to agree the TB debate there are more pirates involved then anything else and thats was my point.. (could of said that better rereading but i think my post still shows that)

I just feel breaking TB will not progress the scene.. As you and other mods have said by a 2nd ps3 to play new games.. Thats all TB will do.. Cobra gives us more why isnt the focus there..
If we learn about how Cobra security then we may learn more about TB. considering alot of people seem to think they could be the same.

[Wolfie708]

The only people who have the right to go on about Piracy on the PS3 is the people who earn monies from writing code for the PS3.

Anyone else who tries to blame, and/or accuse people in a blanket gesture of being a pirate is no better than a 'God squadder' who tries to force his belief down your throat.

Piracy IS wrong, but it is the worst excuse and banner to use regarding hacking of any type or form as it places the person who uses it on their own self-appointed pedestal of being the one who says what the masses can or cannot do.

[sopaj96]

Alot if pages ... :/ Cant even read more so will just ask.. Hows the progress ??
I think these 17+ pages is full of bull*hit and negative people... So sad :/ Hope your not effected and that you continue your work for this "awsome" people supporting you *ironic*

[sopaj96]

Why dont we crack the eboots instead of TB ?? Yeah we can still learn from TB but why dont we concentrate ourselfs on the eboots instead of the TB dongle and CFW :/

[STLcardsWS]

The only people who have the right to go on about Piracy on the PS3 is the people who earn monies from writing code for the PS3. Anyone else who tries to blame, and/or accuse people in a blanket gesture of being a pirate is no better than a 'God squadder' who tries to force his belief down your throat. Piracy IS wrong, but it is the worst excuse and banner to use regarding hacking of any type or form as it places the person who uses it on their own self-appointed pedestal of being the one who says what the masses can or cannot do.

Piracy affects us all.. indirectly or directly.. If a company feel they lost big. They will charge more for the products. Look at a clothing store with Theft.. They will just raise the price of rest of the stock happens all the time.

Look at SOPA they used Piracy to try and restrict the internet.. That didnt work and now we have CISPA

I will say this I disagree with what is consider piracy...
If i have PSone games that i own.. I dont consider downloading the same copy as piracy.. Yea i know its considered piracy.. but it simply isnt..I could prove that in court as well.. with many examples.

[AlexBaka]

So all "information" turned out to be some old stuff? What a surprise...