[iPwnz]

i just admiring this type of people who stand up againts sony for the sake of all our interessest and what they believe for, no one asked about graf_chokolos donations, and its no ones buizness, if you like to give them a few bucks its ok if not then you dont, you have no right to ask what they did with the money! or do you ask about what trublue developer do with theyr income? they shoulkd hated instead!

read about what geohot write about sony and graf_chokolo: http://geohotgotsued.blogspot.de/201...afchokolo.html

i think the facts speak for them self, i see my opinion better backed up by facts, but in the end its just a mather of view, where you coming from and where you wanna go to... i really cant blame anyone for the sh!t sony does only sony alone is responsible for that!!

[talllha]

It was bound to turn into a "popcorn" thread.

A popcorn level indicator tool for threads anyone?

[smartymarty07]

Dont get me wrong I don't like geohotz ego and the way he doesnt credit people, but after reading that artical I have a question.

Do you think he settlled in court with the hope of the DMCA being changed to allow jailbreaking of games consoles, so then he would be able to continue with the ps3 with an easy and cheaper settlement, instead of going all the way through the court procedure?

[Warning]

Originally Posted by smartymarty07 Do you think he settlled in court with the hope of the DMCA being changed to allow jailbreaking of games consoles, so then he would be able to continue with the ps3 with an easy and cheaper settlement, instead of going all the way through the court procedure?

It probably came down to a decision made by his parents and his lawyers.
I think he was a minor at the time

[Benzonia]

Originally Posted by Wolfie708 Because of his turn-around and acceptance of guilt (Yes, he did accept that he was guilty, or there would have been Zero chance of the court saying he was not allowed to 'tinker' with the PS3 etc

Nope, not correct. Settlements are not admissions of guilt. Settlement terms are created by the parties themselves, not imposed by the court, which means that the court never *told* Geohot to do anything other than abide by the settlement terms Sony requested.

[Wolfie708]

Originally Posted by Benzonia Nope, not correct. Settlements are not admissions of guilt. Settlement terms are created by the parties themselves, not imposed by the court, which means that the court never *told* Geohot to do anything other than abide by the settlement terms Sony requested.

Errrrr.. Wrong.

Of course the terms are agreed upon by both parties legal agents in these cases, and just where did I say that the courts told GH he could not do something other than abide by those agreements? In the GH case the courts/law/men with big sticks, may not have imposed the agreement, but they have enforced it.

GH's withdrawal of his claim, and surrender of his rights to use the PS3 are an open admission of guilt in this case. There were Many other options open to him besides an out and out u-turn.

I am by no means cognizant of all aspects of the law, especially the deeply corrupt version used in the USA, but facts are facts...........

He thought he could wave his sausage again and win like he did with the iPhone and even went so far as to make silly childish videos and statements about how good he was and that Sony were going down etc etc etc, then when he realised that he was in reality a child with a massive ego who was facing the real world now, he did a total u-turn, and that resulted in not only his loss, but people like Graf having much less ground to stand upon to fight for themselves.

[Benzonia]

Originally Posted by Wolfie708 Of course the terms are agreed upon by both parties legal agents in these cases, and just where did I say that the courts told GH he could not do something other than abide by those agreements?

Fair enough, I took your meaning to be that the court initiated the restriction on PS3 tinkering, as if by its own idea and desire. If that was my mistake and you instead meant that the court was merely enforcing that restriction at Sony's request, without any ruling of guilt on the matter, then I apologize and stand corrected.

Originally Posted by Wolfie708 GH's withdrawal of his claim, and surrender of his rights to use the PS3 are an open admission of guilt in this case. There were Many other options open to him besides an out and out u-turn.

Um, no. The mere existence of multiple alternatives does not imply that any particular alternative is more or less incriminating than another. By law, agreement to settle does nothing more than indicate that both parties wish to discontinue litigation. Your subjective conclusions about what the settlement *means* is entirely inferential. For example, one *could* conclude that Sony's agreement to drop the case indicated doubt in their case's success. The fact remains that we have no factual basis to determine why Sony (or Geohot) settled the case. We have guesses and theories, but no facts.

Originally Posted by Wolfie708 I am by no means cognizant of all aspects of the law, especially the deeply corrupt version used in the USA, but facts are facts...........

Same here, I'm glad you said that. I don't know everything either, even though I'm a 30-year-old attorney here in the US.

Originally Posted by Wolfie708 He thought he could wave his sausage again and win like he did with the iPhone and even went so far as to make silly childish videos and statements about how good he was and that Sony were going down etc etc etc, then when he realised that he was in reality a child with a massive ego who was facing the real world now, he did a total u-turn, and that resulted in not only his loss, but people like Graf having much less ground to stand upon to fight for themselves.

Probably true, although I have to say that prior to Geohot's legal case, I don't think any one of us could have predicted Sony's response to be as strong as it was. Before Geohot, Sony hadn't really waved it's big stick yet, so at least part of his childish ego derived from a naive sense of security that I think we all shared.

[BobbyBangin]

It's a civil matter, not criminal. It's only a slap on the wrist if he fails to abide by the agreement unless $ony's lawyers can convince a judge to award them a monetary settlement. He's 22 now so I doubt he was a minor when they reached a settlement. He would have had to of been under 18. I don't think $ony would have won if he would have fought it anyways. The government and lobbyists may be corrupt but you're going to be hard pressed to find a jury that will force a 20 year old kid to pay out to a billion dollar corp. This isn't Germany either where $ony can have the feds storm your house and take your equipment over a civil matter. There's no jail time for it either. If I were him and had the know how, I would do it.

[svenmullet]

All I can say is thank god he got rid of the jewfro.

[NTA]

Originally Posted by carldenning geosnot talk crap and lies bla bla bla , all he cares is his e-penis , eg oh look ive got os back on 3.21 every body. look at me my e- penis is growing more look ,look . now look people i got a cfw 3.211 look is growing again . then it grows so much he could stick it up his own ar*E . and where did that cfw go same place as his e-penis . then he dispears and comes back when all the hard work is done

At least he was contributing at some point though lol instead of giving fake information. Probably would've been flamed more if he posted a video of his cfw but said he wouldn't release it