[GregoryRasputin]

Originally Posted by moggpogi sorry im just trying to say to that true blue hater, that 60 bucks is not a big deal...

lol if $60 wasn't that big of a deal, you would buy your own games

[malex]

...*SIGH* everytime this moggpogi fellow posts, braincells all over the board commit suicide.

A lot of interesting things have been said already, one of which I hadn't considered. The idea that sony hasn't yet done anything about TB because they fear they will leak the info on the hack makes a lot of sense to me, because I am absolutely sure that, as wolfie708 said, sony full well know how TB works. I don't think there's a way for anybody to do something to the ps3 that sony can't figure out with minimal effort. If they don't implement fixes, then it's related to something else.

I also absolutely agree with wololo that if you're going to be a stinking pirate, at least have the decency to be a damn proper pirate and not pay for pirated games. I have pirated games before, but I've never paid anyone, aside from the actual hardware needed... oh and before one of you TB loving idiots (I'm not including all TB users in that generalization) say anything: TRUE BLUE IS NOT A HARDWARE HACK. Last I heard DRM is software based, all TB does is this: Checking to see if an idiot is holding the control.... Yes, effectively and idiot who paid for TB (or a relative) is holding the control, so go ahead and let them play DISC/ISO True Blue is as much a modchip as I am a astronaut.

That said, I think ps3 sceners/devs should lay off the judgments. I for one detest sony even more than I detest TB (OtherOS was strike one, Graf was strike two and three), so while I completely agree with destroying TB whatever the consequences I can't agree to do it to help sony. You want to say that you want to release the stolen code? YAY!, you want to spread free and proper backup solutions? YAY!, you want to help poor little ol' sony?... ummm NO! Ideally a solution to allow retail copies of games AND have access to homebrew would be found, but I doubt that will come to pass. While I agree that people that are only in it to pirate should be left to fend for themselves, I don't think it's justified to refuse the 2 out of 10000000 who will actually use this to backup their legally owned games. Point is that sony screwed me with OtherOS because of the ******bags that would pirate stuff (or at least that's their excuse, but I think they just wanted to get rid of OtherOS and used geohot as an scapegoat), so I obviously can't agree with clumping all scene members/enthusiasts/developers/etc together with the kids who have no thoughts aside from playing free games.

[moggpogi]

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin lol if $60 wasn't that big of a deal, you would buy your own games

yeah, but i dont want to buy

[malex]

Originally Posted by moggpogi yeah, but i dont want to buy

And we don't want to buy TB... so there, well but we also want TB to be obliterated, but then again some enjoy playing games they haven't paid for, others enjoy crooks getting what they deserve (talking 'bout TB, not any individual). I think it's all entertainment in it's own right.

[stuck?]

Don't know how many times I saw the phrase "I want" in this thread. That's all I can see anymore.

You know the solution for "i want"? Go fæckin get it! Take initiative for yourself and quit relying on somebody else to do what you want for you. You've got way better odds figuring things out/doing things for yourself than you do relying on somebody else to help you.

Harsh words, but they're true.

[Trivia618]

Originally Posted by frwololo Not sure I'm getting your point here. I'm not allowed to post in my blog anymore because you said so? I am not sure why my name is mentioned in this piece of news tbh, I just blogged about Oct0xor and gave my honest opinion on the subject. The fact that I am not the best hacker in the world is irrelevant to the fact that I know how these things work, and that I have an opinion on the subject. To me it is beyond stupidity that people are ready to pay in order to pirate. Either pirate the games for free, or pay for your effing games, but don't pay the wrong people for the games, this is the worst possible situation ever. Either pay the devs and Sony, or pay no one. The True Blue dongle is over priced, and the only reason they can do it is because they secured it. It's clever from True Blue, but it doesn't make their customers any less dumb. People who say True blue is keeping the scene alive couldn't be more wrong. There are millions of PS3 users stuck on 4.11 who are not getting any fun because 99% of the scene's attention is currently focused on a device that only works on 3.55. I've never seen such a waste on any other device. I know this True Blue thing has been discussed to death, but congrats on your troll, you made me register on ps3hax, something I wanted to do for a while

I am against True Blue...Couldn't really understand your blog. It came off that you have a lot to say about someone that was trying to help the PS3 scene...This TrueBlue exploit is stupid - we all know it doesn't need DRM and that this company is leeching from the PS3 scene like vultures. I'm happy for Oct0xor and his work, it seems that you are not. TBH for me it used to be about piracy but now its a whole new level with this thing they call a company

And welcome to PS3 Hax!

[frwololo]

Originally Posted by Trivia618 I'm happy for Oct0xor and his work, it seems that you are not.

Thanks, I see how my post can be misinterpreted this way.

Trust me, I don't like the True blue scheme either, and I think whatever is done to get rid of it is a good thing. The problem I see with these partial announcements here and there is that TB are not Sony.

Let me clarify what I mean here: Sony is not aware about security issues in their systems until Engadget comes knocking on their door and tells them to check Gizmodo's frontpage. So it is fine to discuss relatively critical information about Sony on most scene forums, because Sony doesn't actively look at them (despite what we'd all like to believe, we're not *that* important to them ).

Paradox, and the people behind True blue, on the other hand, are part of the scene, and regularly check the news about people trying to break them. So I believe that partial reverse-engineering information will only help them to figure out new ways to secure their dongle, while not greatly helping the scene or hackers. It gives us hope, which is great, but there are other ways to investigate TB while keeping essential information under wraps (I think another team did that not so long ago, announcing they have a way to play 3.6+ backups, without revealing much)

This is just a personal opinion on the subject (I am not directly involved in the Reverse Engineering of TB, and I am as excited as everybody else to follow the progress on that), but this is why I said it's not the same fight as the fight against Sony.

[Trivia618]

Originally Posted by frwololo Thanks, I see how my post can be misinterpreted this way. Trust me, I don't like the True blue scheme either, and I think whatever is done to get rid of it is a good thing. The problem I see with these partial announcements here and there is that TB are not Sony. Let me clarify what I mean here: Sony is not aware about security issues in their systems until Engadget comes knocking on their door and tells them to check Gizmodo's frontpage. So it is fine to discuss relatively critical information about Sony on most scene forums, because Sony doesn't actively look at them (despite what we'd all like to believe, we're not *that* important to them ). Paradox, and the people behind True blue, on the other hand, are part of the scene, and regularly check the news about people trying to break them. So I believe that partial reverse-engineering information will only help them to figure out new ways to secure their dongle, while not greatly helping the scene or hackers. It gives us hope, which is great, but there are other ways to investigate TB while keeping essential information under wraps (I think another team did that not so long ago, announcing they have a way to play 3.6+ backups, without revealing much) This is just a personal opinion on the subject (I am not directly involved in the Reverse Engineering of TB, and I am as excited as everybody else to follow the progress on that), but this is why I said it's not the same fight as the fight against Sony.

Now I understand what you're saying
But if we crack TB what can they still do with it add more security onto what we will have the exploit
and Oct0xor never release his findings - the picture of the decrypted strings was from the UserCheat Dongle, he posted that as proof...

PS: I still don't like your exploit


But Good Work nevertheless...

[WalangAlam]

I didn't buy this tb coz its juz too expensive for me and the only feature is limited to playing back ups.
I rgh my xbox and spend more than 60 bucks but was very satisfied coz it works, can play all games, and do much more.

I wish ps3 scene will become just like xbox scene. No dramas, fast mod developments. Xbox scene delivers, we pay, and we are satisfied.

Someone should slap a proper modchip on these ps3, make modding ps3 more challenging.

[modrobert]

I like leeching console games and playing them, and have been buying hardware to do so dating all the way back to the SNES/Genesis era.



Here's a partial screen capture from a file listing on the AKIRA board (multinode bbs running AmiExpress /X) back in 1995. Look at the "20MB/SMC" part there, SMC stands for Super Magic Card which is the backup device used to play this game on a SNES (Super Famicom).

My point is that I fail to see what makes True Blue any different?