[hellsing9]

Originally Posted by BobbyBangin Enlighten me...what exactly does an American think like? It would seem to me that we're all here of different nationalities and origins on these threads thinking the same way. To be honest, I see less stereotyping of other cultures by Americans on this thread. The only thing that exceeds bashing Americans on this site is dongle bashing. I have yet to say one disparaging thing about any other nationality but I have been bashed on my many threads for being American. You should also know to think like an American would be different in New York thank it would be in California or Texas. You shouldn't generalize so much. My wife is not American. I guess my open mindedness must be one of my American thinking errors. I'm not sure what a rape scene in Tomb Raider has to do with American thinking. It's largely shunned in our society. Sh!t happens but I wouldn't think just because a terrorist cuts somebody's head off on the internet in the name of Allah that all Muslims do the same. I would be more concerned when a rape scene doesn't bother somebody.

When i said *I don't think like an American* i was making mention to what the user posted about some *erratic* tought about Americans, and i let him know that im NOT American. Im SOUTH american.
Honestly? i don't know what AMERICANS think.
I did not bring this topic to this thread i just make a proper response to some hard to *understand*, hence AMERICANS was mentioned 3 times in a row in the same post.
I think as a person/individual i have to repeat all over again?.
It's not about the flags/countries/nations.
He also mentioned about the American dream...i know about dreams not about a NATION specific dream.

I (personally) don't think like an American. I think the way i think, there's no nationality or flag involved on this.

Read the 8th page and you will understand my point.

[BobbyBangin]

Originally Posted by hellsing9 He also mentioned about the American dream...i know about dreams not about a NATION specific dream. Read the 8th page and you will understand my point.

Okay. Was just curious. Have you ever heard the saying, "A dollar and a dream"? That's like the American dream. A lot of immigrants came to this country with nothing but a dollar and a dream of opportunity. They still do. That's what the American dream represents...that and big pimpin'

[hellsing9]

Originally Posted by BobbyBangin Okay. Was just curious. Have you ever heard the saying, "A dollar and a dream"? That's like the American dream. A lot of immigrants came to this country with nothing but a dollar and a dream of opportunity. They still do. That's what the American dream represents.

Now i understand, i didn't know about that saying neither.
Seems that same happened here, when European Inmigrants come to stay.
But the old say here it's very hard to translate from Spanish (slang) to Enlgish.

[ducklord]

Originally Posted by hellsing9 When i said *I don't think like an American* i was making mention to what the user posted about some *erratic* tought about Americans, and i let him know that im NOT American. Im SOUTH american. Honestly? i don't know what AMERICANS think. I did not bring this topic to this thread i just make a proper response to some hard to *understand*, hence AMERICANS was mentioned 3 times in a row in the same post. I think as a person/individual i have to repeat all over again?. It's not about the flags/countries/nations. He also mentioned about the American dream...i know about dreams not about a NATION specific dream. Read the 8th page and you will understand my point.

Could you please learn to read before you bash someone? Show me where I mentioned "the American Dream". I mentioned QUANTIC DREAM. You know, as in "the developer of Heavy Rain", and how THEY would treat the subject of rape in an adult and mature manner, not as sexual content.

And what was "my erratic thought about minorities"? I wrote that in exactly the same manner as a non-American doesn't feel offended my the mindless shooters where "the good American is the hero and the bad terrorists are Afghans, Asians and whatnot" (do you really want me to start typing title names? How many do you want me to list?), in exactly the same manner a rape victim wouldn't necessarily feel offended by a depiction of rape.

As for the "real Americans", what I mentioned was that the Americans -I- have meant up to now on the Internet (please, take notice of the "I", and if you feel offended, well, go get a dictionary and learn that I mean MY frickin' point of view based on my experiences with specific Americans) have a tendency to not overthink troublesome matters in gaming and prefer to simply treat them as non-existing. Matters like "what would this guy I'm shooting right now think in real life", "what makes THEM the terrorists and us the good guys". Notice I'm talking in-game "good and bad guys" here. Also notice the emphasis I put and I keep on putting in the "I" part of all of this: I'm talking about people -I- met, and opinions they've expressed to -me-. That doesn't mean that Americans, as a whole, share the same opinions.

And then came people shouting that "I was generalizing". And to put things into perspective, and quote myself - that others quoted out of context, let's give some emphasis to what I was saying:

Originally Posted by ducklord And I'm not saying that it happens only in America, just that I see more Americans (to clarify: "in them internets", not in real life) than anyone else having this stance.

Notice the "I"? It's there for a reason.

[malex]

I don't think what ducklord said was that disrespectful, seems he wanted to be rather emphatic about not wanting to generalize too much, and that he was mainly talking about people he met on the interwebz... which by the way ducklord... is probably the worst way you could have picked to draw any conclusions

I also once again must say I disagree with the idea of including rape scenes for no reason in games, just as I disagree with gore, in any sort of entertainment media (Books, movies, games). I also wouldn't put rape and movies like saw, hostel on the same level as say a violent FPS. Sadly, in this day and age (has been I think for thousands of years) violence is accepted, and as much as I would like it to be otherwise, I doubt there's any going back. I think one of the reasons it is so accepted is precisely because ever since man has had language they have passed down tales of violence and even worst yet celebrated them.

I will give 2 examples of other things we have been desensitized against; although the twist is that they are actually positive examples: homosexuals and different races. At some point topics about both things might have drawn emotions similar as to what some of us might experience when talking about rapes, and yet now different races, or homosexual preferences are nothing strange to most modern thinking individuals (as it always should have been). I hope nobody takes offense by that, as non was implied... but I see peeps can get offended easily on the web.

Anyways, who is to say that a few years down the road rape will just be another crime, and no it's not just another crime. You can see it in people's face when they are watching the news, the expression most put when they hear a story about rape, to me, is vastly different from when they hear about a murder. Sadly, murder is common place these days, on the other hand, rape still infuriates/creeps out/saddens people, and that is a good thing if you ask me. Instead of trying to make rape not be shocking, shouldn't we be striving to make murder seem just as bad as rape is? Both things should be vilified as much as possible.

[SuperDre]

Originally Posted by Wolfie708 Me thinks that you will find I used that Exact reason earlier. If Anyone thinks that not reacting to rape (actual, virtual, committed, or just attempted) as a Bad thing is in Any way good, then sorry but they are Seriously screwed up emotionally. Also even if that is 'all' that happens to a mentally stable person, can you realistically say that they are then stable if they do not find rape and such-like abhorrent in Any form? To quote the old saying 'The tallest Oak tree starts from an acorn'

So you're also not for rape/killing/whatever violence or illegal stuff in any games or movies, so you are disgusted by games like GTA or Saints Row or Call of Duty...
The so called rape scene in this trailer isn't part of the gameplay it's part of the movies to indicate the situation she's in, and to emphesise the guy is a badguy, so it will heighten tension and suspense.. And she fights the guy off, with it making her tough through the specified experience..
You're just a hypocrit if you b*tch over this scene even though you keep playing games like Call of Duty, Gears of War, God of War, GTA, Saints Row, bully, carmageddon, and all the other 'violent' games..
As I said, it's not you as a gamer that has to rape lara (that would be kinda sick to me, but he if someone wants to do that in a game, go ahead, as long as the game gets and 18+ rating at least, and as long as the person doesn't do it in reality).. Yes games, movies do influence us, but have you ever watched the news at 18:00? I'm disgusted with THAT, how many dead people and violence is graphically shown around that time when even little children are watching, and it's all in the name of so called 'journalism' (yeah right, it's all about getting as much viewers as possible and we all know violence and death sells)..
Yes we might get desensitized by violence and sex in games, but personally I keep getting disgusted when I hear about when it happens in reality, and as long I'm feeling like that I don't give a rats ass about what happens in games or movies, the gorier the better to me (just look at the bloodsplatters of the newest games like 'the last of us' or 'god of war 4')..

[Cheesethief]

Originally Posted by Wolfie708 Me thinks that you will find I used that Exact reason earlier. If Anyone thinks that not reacting to rape (actual, virtual, committed, or just attempted) as a Bad thing is in Any way good, then sorry but they are Seriously screwed up emotionally. Also even if that is 'all' that happens to a mentally stable person, can you realistically say that they are then stable if they do not find rape and such-like abhorrent in Any form? To quote the old saying 'The tallest Oak tree starts from an acorn'

I never said rape was good, it's a horrible thing plain and simple. What I am saying is that videogames will not force anyone into committing the crime unless they are already predisposed to doing it. They already have the seed planted in their brain and games/videos/books that include these scenes are just the water the seed needs to grow.

Desensitization in and of itself will not make anyone commit a crime.

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[GregoryRasputin]

Why the hell is everyone hating on @ducklord

He is correct about everything he has said regarding games.

As for stereo typing, the games developers do that, not ducklord.

[LoboGuara]

Originally Posted by Cheesethief (...) Desensitization in and of itself will not make anyone commit a crime.

I agree. The desensitization can make someone commit a crime , but only for someone pre-disposed to do it.

Some people have trouble distinguishing reality from fantasy. (which does not happen to healthy people) and desensitization could be a reason to do something stupid without feeling guilty.

Crimes motivated by games and movies are not frequent but have occurred before. Psychopaths for example, do not function as normal people; their logic is another and if they were not motivated to do something stupid because of the games, they would be motivated by something else.

So while I agree with the @Wolfie708 behaviorism, I do not think censoring this kind of thing would make any difference in the real world.

This is just my opinion, of course I could be wrong

[Cheesethief]

Originally Posted by LoboGuara I agree. The desensitization can make someone commit a crime , but only for someone pre-disposed to do it. Some people have trouble distinguishing reality from fantasy. (which does not happen to healthy people) and desensitization could be a reason to do something stupid without feeling guilty. Crimes motivated by games and movies are not frequent but have occurred before. Psychopaths for example, do not function as normal people; their logic is another and if they were not motivated to do something stupid because of the games, they would be motivated by something else. So while I agree with the @Wolfie708 behaviorism, I do not think censoring this kind of thing would make any difference in the real world. This is just my opinion, of course I could be wrong

Hence why in my first post I mentioned that people that are mentally stable are generally unaffected by the themes contained within games. I did a bit of studying on this and the only thing that was proven through scientific experiments was desensitization.

Also an interesting thing i found was that as games got more realistic, the more teenage crime rates dropped. So maybe games do relieve stress in some way that helps society.