[hellsing9]

Originally Posted by ducklord Could you please learn to read before you bash someone? Show me where I mentioned "the American Dream". I mentioned QUANTIC DREAM. You know, as in "the developer of Heavy Rain", and how THEY would treat the subject of rape in an adult and mature manner, not as sexual content. Click here to see full text And what was "my erratic thought about minorities"? I wrote that in exactly the same manner as a non-American doesn't feel offended my the mindless shooters where "the good American is the hero and the bad terrorists are Afghans, Asians and whatnot" (do you really want me to start typing title names? How many do you want me to list?), in exactly the same manner a rape victim wouldn't necessarily feel offended by a depiction of rape. As for the "real Americans", what I mentioned was that the Americans -I- have meant up to now on the Internet (please, take notice of the "I", and if you feel offended, well, go get a dictionary and learn that I mean MY frickin' point of view based on my experiences with specific Americans) have a tendency to not overthink troublesome matters in gaming and prefer to simply treat them as non-existing. Matters like "what would this guy I'm shooting right now think in real life", "what makes THEM the terrorists and us the good guys". Notice I'm talking in-game "good and bad guys" here. Also notice the emphasis I put and I keep on putting in the "I" part of all of this: I'm talking about people -I- met, and opinions they've expressed to -me-. That doesn't mean that Americans, as a whole, share the same opinions. And then came people shouting that "I was generalizing". And to put things into perspective, and quote myself - that others quoted out of context, let's give some emphasis to what I was saying: Notice the "I"? It's there for a reason.

Why you feel so attacked? really. When i said AN USER i was talking 21% about you when i said AMERICAN DREAM because someone mentioned (now i lost track) But do i care? NO!, Even if made mention i made my statement cristal clear = *I don't dream with a nationality* I just dream like an individual/person.
So what's all the fuzz about?, im not hating. You dragged here a topic of conversation that was discussed already.

So stop being so being defensive about something that i did not even mention you. When i WANT to reply to a specific post or specific user i use quotes or @
So if you want to keep going fine by me!

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin Why the hell is everyone hating on @ducklord He is correct about everything he has said regarding games. As for stereo typing, the games developers do that, not ducklord.

Agree, and not agree. The user says something aimed to me that sounded *insultant* and mentioned AMERICANS more than 4 times on a row.
I think you will notice or anyone that my posts in general don't involves = *flags*, *nations*, *politics*. Because i could care less about that and if the other side don't understand that im replying just only for one reason here. *Being POLITE*, well it's not my problem.
I don't hate the user, but his words at the start of his whole idea mentioning the AMERICANS (second time that i said that in this post) were kind of offensive, because he TOUGHT i (myself) as an American (3 times).
So..WTF is wrong with AMERICANS and games?, do i care?, NO.
I just posted a *news* about some *rape scenes* on video games regarding the new Tomb Raider, i showed my point of view more than 4 pages ago.

So NOW i rest my case AGAIN.

[shaneag13]

@ducklord and @hellsing9 Group hugs as I think this is just a misunderstanding

[ducklord]

@hellsing9 : Ah, you misunderstood me: when I mentioned "Americans in games" I wasn't talking about "Americans as real people" but "the typical hero of mainly the FPS genre". Meaning that we are used to playing "the American soldier that kills other people for the sake of his country" - in titles from Medal of Honor to Splinter Cell, from Call of Duty to whatever. Not "American" as in real nationality, but as one of the defining characteristics of a games hero.

"Is he male?"... Check...
"Is he American?".... Check...
"Is he white?"... Usually yes, so, heck, Check...
"Does he like big boobs/is straight?"... Yeah, yeah... Check...
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"Is rape bad?"... Ofcourse it is. Check.
...

And so, the developer follows the same way he did before, and he gives us another game where we have, for yet another time, an American straight white guy with a gun VS the world. And no rape.

Usually when something is "thought provoking", be it a gay chinese protagonist that dresses in pink, or the act of rape and its implications, doesn't mean that it doesn't have place in gaming. That's what I'm trying to say all along: you can't ban something from a medium just because whenever it was depicted in it was in a bad way (as the afformentioned Rapelay title, where - YOU - are the rapist). In exactly the same way that a game protagonist DOESN'T actually have to be "a white American soldier" (although most "blockbusters" follow the same shallow stereotype), a game DOESN'T have to treat rape as a sexual act, DOESN'T have to depict it in a way that "talks" to rapists, but could actually treat the matter with respect and be globally accepted.

[concretecork]

http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2012...er-now-a-hero/

[malex]

Originally Posted by concretecork http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2012...er-now-a-hero/

I'm not even going to bother reading anything...

...father-beats-to-death-man-who-molested-his-4-year-old-daughter-now-a-hero

That says enough for me to agree with it. Sex offenders don't deserve ANY considerations, to hell with their human rights.

[hellsing9]

Originally Posted by malex I'm not even going to bother reading anything... That says enough for me to agree with it. Sex offenders don't deserve ANY considerations, to hell with their human rights.

I Saw The Devil - Official Trailer [HD] - YouTube

Justice.

[japsander]

i honestly dont see the issue with this so called rape issue in this game

when was the last time these people kicked up a fuss about anime? many manga have rape in it and those make it out to be more "porn" than wrong.

if it shows it as wrong and a way to show reasoning for her "hard ass" transformation then fine, its supposed to be realistic so people can relate to the character. its not put in the game as jackoff material, its there as a reasoning tool.
go watch "the accused" and cry about how the rape should be removed from the movie.....

we have tv ads in uk that talk/example rape and are aimed at kids but there is no fuss kicked up about it.
kids need to be educated about violence/rape and although in a game it does not glamorise it like other games do with murder etc. what about grand theft auto? you can poke a'ho and smash her skull in.
anyone kicking up a fuss about it are the people who see it as sexual and not about its purpose of provoking an empathic responce. are those very same people the ones to worry about?

just my 2p

[malex]

Originally Posted by hellsing9 I Saw The Devil - Official Trailer [HD] - YouTube Justice.

That movie looks pretty good, kinda reminds me of Law Abiding Citizen.

Originally Posted by japsander i honestly dont see the issue with this so called rape issue in this game when was the last time these people kicked up a fuss about anime? many manga have rape in it and those make it out to be more "porn" than wrong. if it shows it as wrong and a way to show reasoning for her "hard ass" transformation then fine, its supposed to be realistic so people can relate to the character. its not put in the game as jackoff material, its there as a reasoning tool. go watch "the accused" and cry about how the rape should be removed from the movie..... we have tv ads in uk that talk/example rape and are aimed at kids but there is no fuss kicked up about it. kids need to be educated about violence/rape and although in a game it does not glamorise it like other games do with murder etc. what about grand theft auto? you can poke a'ho and smash her skull in. anyone kicking up a fuss about it are the people who see it as sexual and not about its purpose of provoking an empathic responce. are those very same people the ones to worry about? just my 2p

This is why I have no problems saying I'm against graphic depictions of rape in games, cause I don't agree to them on any other type of media. I'm not even trying to think about the sickos that get off watching a rape scene, that's a completely different (disturbing) topic in and of itself. I think most good/normal people are very sympathetic, and a writer, for whatever media it may be (games/films/books) can stir enough emotions without having to "go there", most of the time just making it a certainty that happened is enough.

Sure you get more shock value showing the scene, but I think many are also a bit too disturbed by such scenes.

Though, once again, I don't see a problem with this particular scene... Hell, she kicks his ass so fast, you could even argue he was trying to pat her down, not rape her. Being that I'm an avid watcher of anime, you would think I'd be more tolerant of this crap, but the first (and last) anime that I watched that had a rape scene was Berserk, the most I have had to deal with since is unnecessary fanservice.... *SIGH* somethings about japanese people I rather not understand.

[Errata]

are you retarded or something did you even watch the clip, you know what don't even bother to reply to this wolfie.

[someonecool]

I watched the clip, I watched it during E3 (I was watching everything live), and I watched it a few more times. This is what I have been dreaming of in a new game, More realisim and better detail.

This and The Last of US took the show in my eyes. Did you see the blood splatter in The last of us?? The detail that would expect by bashing someone in the head with a gun would do. I was blown away.

The designers of the game got EXACTLY what they wanted out of this and this thread proves it. I bet about 75% or higher of posters in this thread will buy or hack this game. They want to bring up the hype on the game. The content makes a discussion happen and they did their marketing well.

There is very few games that I will buy on release day (I like to save a buck, I'll wait till it's 2 weeks old and get it on ebay for 1/2 price)but, this one I am pretty sure I will pre-order it. It looks that good.

Do I think a game should promote violent rape ? Hell no but, this game is trying to be as real as possable. Games are an art, I look forward to a game being better than a movie, and that is what I am willing to PAY for.

Parents SHOULD be responsable for their children, Yes, this means you if your are under 18 years old(i'm sure 1/2 the posters in this thread). If this type of violence offends you, then dont buy it. If the content is too questionable for you, DONT buy it. If your wacked in the head, maybe you shouldn't buy it.

Enough said, I got my point across. Also to note, Rape is OK IF you are with a woman that enjoys that type of thing. WHy did I marry someone my MOM would like ???