[EiKi]

would be nice tho to have my ps5 built into my 89" sony super led bio cellar tv, xD srry just had to hehe

[marty370]

He's bount to say consoles will be dead after next gen, he's promoting his new games studio, that just happens to be making browser based games.

Well considering consoles now have browsers, ther is no reason to believe consoles will be dead after next gen.

Not everybody wants iphone/ipad gaming, they make very poor gaming machines. Consoles will always be miles better. Touch controls don't cut it.

[KMM]

Originally Posted by SuperDre No, it WON't go to the PC, it will go to cloudgaming, which requires nothing but a simple display and a controller, even the PS3 or xbox360 can be used for cloudgaming.. And sorry, but PC's also get RSOD or YLOD, I've already had 2 graphicscards overheat due to bad cooling, I've seen soooo many defect motherboards, memoryunits go bad, or HDD's/SSD's crash.. I too think the nextgen consoles are the last consoles, everything will just go cloudgaming through your TV (samsung is already putting it into their TV's). Also for publishers cloudgaming is much MUCH more interesting as it isn't possible to pirate the specific games anymore, also for gamers it's interesting as they get a netflix like account, so you can play any game which the service has (which will continue to grow exponential and also contain retro games) for a specifc ammount per month.. Ofcourse it will take some time before this will actually take off for mainstream due to the need of a good internet connection.. I think in about 10 years we'll all game through services like GaiKai and OnLive (next to the old games on our old consoles)..

if graphic cards overheat they're either faulty or cheap chinese crap, hdds crash on every system yeh thats right

but lets say you dont have warranty anymore and your graphic card crashes,
how long does it take till you can continue gaming and how much does it cost?!!
if your ps3s graphic card crashes you have to buy a new ps3...

cloud gaming still requires capable hardware, it just removes the need for HDD
get it straight, PC would also be the best cloud "entertainment" system

and another fact, if you build a PC to have the same crappy laggy graphics as PS3/360 you'd have to pay the around the same amount of money for said PC

the only thing that keeps me playing my PS3 is tekken
but only because i live in f'in germany and here are no arcades at all

[marty370]

PC arn't for newbie's, they can be a headache to get games work. Due to the amount of different specs on the market.

Console are simple to use, put a disc in install and play.

Can't see consoles going away soon as many like the easy plug and play solution to gaming.

[Annelies]

When consoles die it will cost significantly less to build a gaming PC due to millions of people being forced to buy into it.

Consoles dying will actually benefit the gaming industry when you think about it....

Developers probably won't feel as "restricted" for one.

We will actually get more games that are natively in 1080P and consoles today don't even play games in HD. We are lucky to get games in 720P... and those even poorly at times.

Games will be CHEAPER since every game will be distributed digitally, and Steam ALWAYS has crazy sales.

You can use a keyboard/mouse OR a controller for ANY game you play unlike consoles that limit the way you're allowed to play by confining you to a controller 99% of the time.
there is nothing a console can do that a PC can't do ten times better.

Etc..

[mikhael]

I agreed with Japsander.

To have for example, a game like God of War in a Cloud...you would need a pretty fast internet connection. Not to mention...without falls.

You have the example of Diablo III, that the servers cant handle so many users.

And even if the internet speeds increase, so will the graphics and the amount of data being stream.
And at this point, i can see games evolving much faster than the internet speed...

And many ppl dont like to be logon to the internet, just to play a game (even if its just campaign mode).

I think that are to many factors to be solve in just 10years...("to not sound ridiculous") lol

[VIRGIN KLM]

While what he says about the next gen console sales might be correct and for sure is going to turn out that way (we already have the best example, the Vita), every other statement he does is equal to what a 5 year old would think which is sad for a videogame industry businessman...

If there is something to blame the dissapearance of consoles and the very-very-very decreased sales numbers that would be nothing else than:

1.Global economy crysis

2.People being unimpressed by the hardware specifications of the console, which now everybody knows that he can't invest such big amount of money to a device that has such low specifications because it's lifespan will end very quickly and he'll have to buy another device/console which would be a tottal waste of money.

3.Costumers being unpleased or pi$$ed off by some incidents or moves the company of the console they are interested in did in the past, being very sceptic to buy a console or not or even wait for a huge pricedrop or most commonly boycooting them completely. The thing is that the company that developed the console needs to cover up the money they invested in the development period of the console and this mostly relies on the high prices of the launch date sales and the period before a pricedrop. With that stance by the consumers (sceptic/waiting for pricedrop/boycooting and all of them combined) obviously this is impossible so the companies have to make some huge decisions, and nearly all of them have a very-very-very bad ending like cancellation of the console, merging and bankruptcy.

See how all the above statements I did are connected? All because of money and the global crysis is because of all those facts.

Also I'll make in a simple paragraph with not many words why what he says about the extinction of consoles and his statements about it are sooo wrong:

Not all consumers, or even better, not even the majority of them are pleased either by smartphone gaming or cloud gaming or even PC gaming, and even more, they don't seem to care about their fast rising in performance and power, but even more intrestingly, the day that things will change about how consumers think about those things will not come any soon, I could even say not even in the near-to-distant future and ALL videogame companies know that and this is what they keep investing in the field.

[DrWho198]

I think what Jaffe is trying to say is that he indeed believes in cloud gaming. But just like japsander says it's not realistic to believe in such a thing in the near future (10years is the near future if you are talking about such things :P).

My reasoning:

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Not only does it require fast connections but it requires very powerful servers as well. Don't forget that you need servers that can play many thousands/millions of games at once and all fluently at very high resolution. The standard for graphics will probably by a lot higher compared to what we have now so that makes it even harder to do. Next they'll have to compress every frame and stream all the sound to the end user. Do you really believe that's possible? Maybe in the next century when humans find out a whole new kind of electronics, but not in 10 years.

It might be Sony's wet dream though, no one could hack their console that way. The only thing you get at home is a terminal that shows the streaming.

On his behalf I will admit that these next gen consoles will probably bring us dark times for the console market. They are pumped with gimmicks that don't improve gameplay at all. Sure, some people do buy a console for the hype. Thats why WII had such good sales when it was released. People buy one and are fund of the pointing/motion sensing... but soon after they get bored with it and even want games that DON'T use it. It's not practicle to play games with your arms in the air all the time. And now they are making a console with a controller that is as large as, or even larger than portable gaming systems. And what scares me is that companies like Sony try to follow them in that direction.

Personally I would love it if they put the money of all the gimmicks in a second processor. That would improve gameplay and would really bring us NEXT-Gen. Making the choice between PC and console easier since it would be like the old days. Consoles are made for gaming and arn't just PC's in a plug'n'play box.

Then again, that's just my thoughts... what do I know about what the future will bring?... I've only been watching what happened in the past and what flunked back than. And it tells me that if things continue, then it'll probably mean a second dark time for the gaming industry.

Originally Posted by mikhael And many ppl dont like to be logon to the internet, just to play a game (even if its just campaign mode).

I'm not saying you are wrong because I don't believe in clouding either. But the way technology is going now, those games would probably be streamed with your TV signal. Just like 'video on demand'. But that doesn't solve the fact that they need super powerful servers.

[marty370]

Originally Posted by VIRGIN KLM While what he says about the next gen console sales might be correct and for sure is going to turn out that way (we already have the best example, the Vita), every other statement he does is equal to what a 5 year old would think which is sad for a videogame industry businessman... If there is something to blame the dissapearance of consoles and the very-very-very decreased sales numbers that would be nothing else than: 1.Global economy crysis 2.People being unimpressed by the hardware specifications of the console, which now everybody knows that he can't invest such big amount of money to a device that has such low specifications because it's lifespan will end very quickly and he'll have to buy another device/console which would be a tottal waste of money. 3.Costumers being unpleased or pi$$ed off by some incidents or moves the company of the console they are interested in did in the past, being very sceptic to buy a console or not or even wait for a huge pricedrop or most commonly boycooting them completely. The thing is that the company that developed the console needs to cover up the money they invested in the development period of the console and this mostly relies on the high prices of the launch date sales and the period before a pricedrop. With that stance by the consumers (sceptic/waiting for pricedrop/boycooting and all of them combined) obviously this is impossible so the companies have to make some huge decisions, and nearly all of them have a very-very-very bad ending like cancellation of the console, merging and bankruptcy. See how all the above statements I did are connected? All because of money and the global crysis is because of all those facts. Also I'll make in a simple paragraph with not many words why what he says about the extinction of consoles and his statements about it are sooo wrong: Not all consumers, or even better, not even the majority of them are pleased either by smartphone gaming or cloud gaming or even PC gaming, and even more, they don't seem to care about their fast rising in performance and power, but even more intrestingly, the day that things will change about how consumers think about those things will not come any soon, I could even say not even in the near-to-distant future and ALL videogame companies know that and this is what they keep investing in the field.

Agree with some of your comments, like smart phones be hopless as gaming machines.

But I disagree about consoles not lasting long. PS2 is enjoying a ten year+ life(it's still selling/been sold/ and supported by devs/Sony).

PS3 and PSP will also enjoyatleast 10 year life span(with suport from devs/Sony).

[MAX_Pain]

I think he is right, maybe not about the timing. Not until we get descent speeds and good ping times can they deploy a successful system. This would be the best way to go, really you pay a monthly/yearly fee like say hmm... Xbox live. But here's the cool thing all the games you can play free of charge and in the best quality since all hardware is on there end. This would would make them more money as people who can't afford a system at $300+ can afford a monthly charge and can play on anything that supports there client/app and anywhere there is a good internet connection. The downfall is an always on good internet connection. I do believe it is the future but I don't think where that close to it yet. If they went this way they would be leaving a lot of there customers in the dark.