[japsander]

Originally Posted by Wolfie708 In all honesty mate, so would I, but when someone wants to wave the anti-piracy flag they need to realise that they are a Pirate if they use them, so have Zero right to use it as an excuse. Personally, this whole thing will either be good or bad, but you know as well as I do that over the last months every time something comes out that 'may' move the Whole scene forward, the ones who try to shoot it down the most are the 'devs' who do not want their personal cookie jar being shared around lol

i can relate to that yeah lol

[RafaSimpsons]

Originally Posted by oPolo http://www.ps3hax.net/showthread.php...299#post389299

Lol, I still do not understand.

[snowydew]

Originally Posted by hp420 you lost all respect and credibility MONTHS ago when the rest of your gitbros did....shut the **** up and sit back down, *******!!

Cute, you also know I shortly thereafter left gitbrew? Oh my... it's coming up to the 1 year anniversary of it~

[japsander]

Originally Posted by SuperDre but what about this remark by evilsperm this indicates to me that it won't be able to play bluray movies or bluray games, so with that excludes playing new games (legally).

we will see but in honesty i stopped listening to him after he started to threaten people

[GregoryRasputin]

Originally Posted by snowydew Cute, you also know I shortly thereafter left gitbrew?

You did leave shortly after you helped raise over £300, for supposed RSX driver's, which turned out to be documents, what happened that money ?

[BobbyBangin]

I've noticed they've actually released a kit to convert from cex to dex. Any takers? I've also seen mention that it was Mathieulh who released the CEX-DEX method to Durandal without permission lol.

[Wolfie708]

Originally Posted by snowydew Some of the devs do pirate, but most of them don't nore want to go near it. Both of my ps3s currently are on the latest firmwares as well (Reason I haven't been doing very much work lately). All I can say though is just reading about the stuff talked against the developers makes me not even want to take a look at the ps3 anymore. Even if it's not directed at me, it's just silly and unneeded at times =\.

Thank you (no sarcasm intended), and you have just with your own words hit the nail on the head.

Facts are that good or bad, the dev scene Has kept things under the carpet and behind closed doors, so sorry, but in situations like this, the lowest common denominator is always used and that Is the bad side of it.

If you do not like it then change it and become one of the ones who does not huddle in darkened corners whilst laughing at the 'underlings'

[luqi]

Originally Posted by snowydew Not sure if this was mentioned at all, but this really doesn't stop "Dongles". All this will stop is the work that some developers were doing behind the scenes or hinder their progress until they get a proper / legit debug. To be daft enough to say this will stop dongles is hilariously sad. The people behind the dongles have made more than enough to get their own proper debugs, they still have access to the servers with the debug eboots, they still have every last thing they did before. This release only messes with the real developers =\. Sure anyone can use it now, but anything after 4.21 can not not really be worked on without the developers getting a proper debug, which takes time and money and yet another amount of "Why do I even bother?". I wanted to stay away from this topic, but my god. Use your brains ffs.

And then profits from stolen eboots only for piracy with fxxxx DRM Dildos ... , LOL.
Where is the moral part ?

And those devs/groups supports them too ,they dont want to share their findings with the scene !!!!
All fxxx thieves with a small pexx .

[TheEvolution_PT]

Originally Posted by Wolfie708 Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh.. The real developers who are invisible and have had, from more than one persons admission and words, this knowledge and soooooooooooooooooooooo much more for months on end? You lot need educating on the definition of developer, and you will find it is NOT an elite (read as infantile and pathetic), group of people who think they are above everyone else. Just admit the garbage about 4.21 and higher is just you lot sulking and has ZERO to do with the community you lie so well about when you say you support it. My God (Atheist here btw lol), grow a pair the lot of you and speak the truth and not pathetic weak excuses. Use YOUR brains and understand that people want results not lies and being treat like children. You bother because you enjoy being better than others, simple as, end of story, etc etc etc......... Next time you want to tell others to use their brains etc in your condescending manner, stop a moment and think on just Why people think the scene devs are such a set of two-faced, back stabbing maggots.

Well Said, i think the same

[jennys]

Originally Posted by japsander i have no issue with devs using these methods at all but dont like the fact that they deem everyone else not worthy of having the same info that they were given.

Like most systems their exists a hierarchy of sorts and with console scenes there has and will always will be groups of people who commonly exclude others from information and tools due to various reasons regardless if they are hardcore hackers or homebrew developers. You see this as unfair as the normal scener doesn't get "in" with them. That my friend takes work and dedication.

I don't dare assume the reasoning behind each group or even single individuals who hack the PS3 not sharing all they find with the entire scene, but that is their privilege and if you do not like it then tuff smackaroos.

I have seem to come to find a bunch of people who think they are entitled to anything and everything regardless of the time, code, techniques, hacks or money developers have contributed to the scene (public or not). What I seem to see is ungrateful spoiled brats that can do nothing more then post a quickly edited photo of something or curse at developers for not giving them a free ride on the highway to free games.

Let's look at DeanK. He's a developer who has shared with the scene something that is on almost every CFW PS3. Multiman is used by thousands of people, yet when a fork is released for Dongle's only suddenly he's a "trader" and is cursed upon. People are forgetting that the fork takes advantage of the Cobra Dongle so without the Dongle there would be no extra functionality, but he's still a trader. He's even a trader when he releases a new revised version to the public. So if you think he's "one of them" and you dislike him then get rid of Multiman on you PS3. Simple. Problem solved. I personally think that DeanK deserves some cash (if he's making any as no one knows what deal he's made with Cobra).

It's his software and he can do what he pleases with it. That can be applied to any developer regardless if they used a stolen SDK/free SDK made with stolen code from the stolen SDK with free information out there. Jump back to the groups of developers; some are in it for money, some just for fun, but we as a collective have ZERO say in what they do with their work regardless of the moral and ethical excuses from the same people that seem to change on a per situation basis to suite their own personal greed.

It's simple. If you don't like it and it cost money don't buy it. Even more simple if it's free then just don't use it. If you're not "in" with a group of developers then setup an environment and start from the bottom and work your way up. When you complain that others aren't giving you free stuff or sharing what they've spent much time on to you for free then you're only making yourself look like you're a greedy, no good little spoiled brat that needs a spanking.