[Wolfie708]

Originally Posted by carldenning i swear microsoft tryed to sort of do the same but a diffent way . we couldnt install 3rd partie programs etc on windows . untill they lost at court and people was able to legal .

It's back to what I just said about hardware and software mate.

No-one can stop you using any software on any piece of hardware you own, but they can stop you altering their software.

[UnknownStranger]

Originally Posted by Wolfie708 You are right but for one thing. Almost all, if not actually all, CFW and the like have been made by using software which we do NOT have the Legal Right to use. EDIT Also as Sony's OFW is not open source, we are also breaking the law by making a customised version of it anyway. The hardware is different to the software in this case. Make a clean New FW for it and Sony cannot say a thing, but modify their FW and they can.

I think the real reason why sony is getting sooo damn angry when they hear about new hacks is because some years ago. sony was the ONLY console that was said "to never be hacked" and that fact that it's actually hacked. they're probably feeling bad to know that their console is not said to be "hackable" again. so they will try anything to not make any of us progress in any kind of modifications..lol.. we all know about sony scare tactics ..
they know once we hear that they are onto us. we will stop make further progress for an official hack that sony might not get to overwrite

[Squarepusher2]

Originally Posted by GraVoX959 http://www.ps3devwiki.com/wiki/4.20_DEX Yeah strange.. However google is your friend, lover and life partner as always

Nothing strange about it -that wiki is Sony's ****** - has been from day one.

Know what Mathie did when he ran that thing? First thing he did when Graf got busted - was take down the entire wiki - he didn't even have the integrity to stand up for his 'friend' - he looked after himself first and foremost to get himself 'in the clear'.

Seriously, I don't see why I should be crying right now for devs' inability in the future to pirate with BDEmu and their inability to upgrade to the latest DEX firmware. You never were gonna do jack **** for the 99% anyway.

[carldenning]

Originally Posted by Wolfie708 It's back to what I just said about hardware and software mate. No-one can stop you using any software on any piece of hardware you own, but they can stop you altering their software.

all we need to do it make out own fw from sratch with out there sdk . which propley wont be possiable

[SuperDre]

Originally Posted by carldenning i swear microsoft tryed to sort of do the same but a diffent way . we couldnt install 3rd partie programs etc on windows . untill they lost at court and people was able to legal .

BS, I don't know where you heard/read that, but it's utter BS.. But just wait until Windows 8 and trying to install a Metro app without the windows store, it's not happening unless you 'jailbreak' your windows, just like on iOS..

Originally Posted by Squarepusher2 Know what Mathie did when he ran that thing? First thing he did when Graf got busted - was take down the entire wiki - he didn't even have the integrity to stand up for his 'friend' - he looked after himself first and foremost to get himself 'in the clear'.

Oh come off it, integrity? it has got nothing to do with integrity, but with not wanting to have the possibility to being sued, it costs a lot of money being sued and even your job and you don't know if you'll win.. If you think that's a bad thing to protect yourself from being sued, then you're really a moron, I wonder what you'll be doing if you got a letter from some lawyers asking you to shut down parts of your website (knowing that others already have been sued over it).. Maybe you have a couple of hundred of thousand dollars (or millions) laying around for going to court over something you don't know you'll win, but 99% of the devvers around haven't..
It's so easy to talk from the sidelines if you aren't anywhere near danger..

Also we never heard what happened to graf after he was raided (I mean after the initial few weeks), we heard Geohot has settled out of court.

Originally Posted by carldenning all we need to do it make out own fw from sratch with out there sdk . which propley wont be possiable

oh, that's ALL we need to do? I would say, good luck. You do know that your own FW wouldn't make it possible to play ANY of the games you already own (or don't own)..

[carldenning]

Originally Posted by SuperDre BS, I don't know where you heard/read that, but it's utter BS.. But just wait until Windows 8 and trying to install a Metro app without the windows store, it's not happening unless you 'jailbreak' your windows, just like on iOS..

im going back many many many years ago
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Originally Posted by SuperDre oh, that's ALL we need to do? I would say, good luck. You do know that your own FW wouldn't make it possible to play ANY of the games you already own (or don't own)..

i did say it probley be impossible , its not all about games . if we could eg we could make a better xmb

[Wolfie708]

Originally Posted by SuperDre If you think that's a bad thing to protect yourself from being sued, then you're really a moron, I wonder what you'll be doing if you got a letter from some lawyers asking you to shut down parts of your website (knowing that others already have been sued over it).. Maybe you have a couple of hundred of thousand dollars (or millions) laying around for going to court over something you don't know you'll win, but 99% of the devvers around haven't.. It's so easy to talk from the sidelines if you aren't anywhere near danger.. Also we never heard what happened to graf after he was raided (I mean after the initial few weeks), we heard Geohot has settled out of court.

Would you like a new needle for that record?

Stop talking BS as you like to put it. You know as well as I do that it is a piece of wee wee to release something and not get prosecuted for it.

People are F U C K E D off because of lies and excuses, so do you really think you are helping?

[jennys]

@hellsing9 is right when he said you can't "generalize" and blame every single PS3 developer for dongles, or withholding this method. There are many who do not dabble with pirating games and it's not the %1 goal.

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However, there has always been that gap of hombrewers and pirates ever since it became easy to develop for consoles (back in the day you'd maybe see some demos, intros, a silly homebrew game or two, but nothing more). It may be "funny" to blame people like Math that you have zero proof is behind any Dongle or curse at people like DeanK who's software you depend on using for your gaming collection, but neither cases has there been any proof on exactly what conspired. So go post silly pictures, curse at them and maon, but sceners like myself simply look at these types with pitty and wonder what even motivates such immature actions.

I also see this CEX->DEX method as

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only being able to be taken advantage of by people who already know or who are willing to learn how to use basic methods like installing Linux, flashing the PS3, patching backups. A lot of CFW users on 3.55 had a hard time extracting the zip/rar/zoo archive that contained the PUP as I saw people making money flashing CFW back when it came out for other people who have no idea how to use their computers.

I'm sure more tools will come out making the process easier, but it was mentioned that people who purchased their PS3 after Jan2011 are still SOL as are the OFW users. While this may be exciting for the clinch demographic the majority of PS3 users cannot benefit from it.

Touching on Sony they do indeed not only read the news, but

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take a proactive stance in the scene by dedicating a lot of time working with sceners and possibly developers (without revealing their identity or in Geohot's case made it public). When the PS1 first came out Kerry Hopkins the main lady on Sony's legal team formed the first "task force" to seek out and disrupt the flow of modchips and game enhancers into the USA by means of putting pressure on US Customs (which they still employ today) and seeking legal and punitive action against resellers.

This was before the DMCA and the major busts that closed 99% of modchip stores in the later 2000's. Now with the DMCA most hosts won't flinck and will take down whatever is requested without warning to their web clients sometimes for days or if they are kind inform the user to take down the content instead of taking out the entire page or in some cases the site itself. There is a way to fight DMCA take-downs and get your content returned to you, but most common sceners/hackers for whatever reasons do not go down this slipperly slope as it involved revealing personal details. Missing information from Wikis that don't even fall under DMCA jurisdiction cam also be explained due to a loophole that any domain name that is owned by a USA register (like .com / .org) can be shutdown therefor rendering the site inaccessible and this threat usually leads to the content Sony wants down being removed.

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their own problems (or what they see as their own problems - mainly not being able to pirate the latest games) it's not their responsibility to do anything for us and if you want something done right my Old Man always told me "Do it yourself". I blame the divide between developers not on the homebrew crew in which for the most part homebrew developers are respected by sceners, but I do blame it on the pirate hungry leechers who want it their way, right away and right now. What's the old saying .... "it takes one to know one" and I've been there.

With all that said the CEX-DEX method will now allow 3.56+ pirated content to run through 4.11 (unless this mysterious 4.20D EX PUP is appears) and I think that the few people left with 3.55 should be thankful for that and should go play their free stuff and stop bickering on a forum about what may or may not be. Go have fun! Wasn't this what you've all been wanting? It may not work exactly the way you expected it to as most people after getting someone want it to work the same as the last, but regardless you can play games now? So go play! Or does that not interest you? If so then what the heck does?

[Wolfie708]

Originally Posted by jennys @hellsing9 is right when he said you can't "generalize" and blame every single PS3 developer for dongles, or withholding this method. There are many who do not dabble with pirating games and it's not the %1 goal.

For once I actually agree with you completely lol

Only an idiot blames every single dev, but in the same vein, only an idiot refuses to admit and feel angst that more than a small portion of them are lying, two-faced, hypocritical falsifiers of truth lol

[The Dutch Gamer]

Originally Posted by jennys *very long post*