[Eiji]

Originally Posted by bradz7 freedom like xbox users? wow kid, you really are a dumbass! go get a clue before posting **** you have no clue about.

bradz7 Apprentice Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1

Pent-up anger much?

[psyki]

Originally Posted by carldenning erm he joined 2008 lol

lol only looked at his post count still its a bizarre first post tho

[carldenning]

Originally Posted by psyki lol only looked at his post count still its a bizarre first post tho

yeah it is

[4218kris]

when is this soap opera over..

[depblkman]

If sony has not gone after the ones who have developed TB, JB-king and the like, what makes you think that they are going after people who converted their ps3 to dex consoles? as long as you cannot access psn, they don't care. Sony is not going to waste their time. all they will do is make it harder for people to access psn or whatever system they have. trust and believe the ps3devwiki would have been shut down. Deank would have been arrested and sued, all the rest of the devs that has contributed to hacking the ps3 would have had letters from Sony lawyers by now asking them to cease all programming. none of that has happened.

[AsSiTcH]

Originally Posted by depblkman If sony has not gone after the ones who have developed TB, JB-king and the like, what makes you think that they are going after people who converted their ps3 to dex consoles? as long as you cannot access psn, they don't care. Sony is not going to waste their time. all they will do is make it harder for people to access psn or whatever system they have. trust and believe the ps3devwiki would have been shut down. Deank would have been arrested and sued, all the rest of the devs that has contributed to hacking the ps3 would have had letters from Sony lawyers by now asking them to cease all programming. none of that has happened.

Sony cant do anything to a person who converts their console in the first place.

[hellsing9]

Originally Posted by malex Not really, if the scene was more united then maybe I could see another release in a year's time, but this scene keeps getting worst and worst day by day. User/Dev, Dev/Dev and User/User relationships are horrible, so I don't see much happening... I hope I'm wrong though. Click here to see full text The release of TB really killed the scene, prior to that there wasn't so much animosity towards devs in general (mainly directed at Math) where as after the release of TB it seems that all devs are suspects of being in bed with TB. Now nothing is released it's bad because they are not trying, if something is released, then it's bad because they've had it all along and never released it... *SIGH* Again I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see this scene doing anything meaningful anymore. It really sucks that it seems sony will get what they wanted when they when they pulled the bait 'n switch on us with OtherOS, and even worst when they treated graf and others as they did. Maybe I've read one too many of @hellsing9 's conspiracy theories, because I'm starting to think sony orchestrated some of this drama from inside to produce the rift between users/devs. If it got rid of TB... it was worth it. Nah!, they don't have to send interpol, they've got the sony corps (a.k.a. the FBI) and we know the sony corps will just disregard the laws of any country if it hinders the completion of their masters' orders.

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No doubt about that. They have their own agenda and their own scheme (as any enterprise).
I don't believe in this kind of *accidents* an in terms of conspiracy theories, well if you connect the points you will reach or you will find what you wanted to *saw/read*.

It's relative, but in the other side sometimes it's too obvious.

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When you buy a PS3 system with your own money, it's yours. But at the same time it's not.
They removed pretty much all the functions that were an strong point to have a PS3 system = Other0s.
Because they wanted to, we know how Sony handle things. They launch an awesome product and then they start to remove certain functions to it.

The ones who bought it, years ago (2007/2008) they bought it (some of them) because not only for be a gaming system but for that option, an option that microsoft will not gave to the end users NEVER.
To install another OS in your own PS3, later when they noticed that the hack (bulletproof) stances failed at them, they removed the option with a nice and phat update.

So they are the ones who mess with end user, and with their product.
Sad thing is, that instead of pushing the system to the limit they like to insert more and more = Anti-hack soft/hard on them.
Why?, it's plain simple. They have the reputation of not being hacker friendly (if you look on PS story) you will notice how much time passed until a solid and stable solution appeared.

Sadly this is not the case, it's a method that got filtered. And they eventually will patch it, or as i said they are expecting the official release of the 4K ones. (Still i think that this ones will end the *dongle-era*).

The one who reported to Sony, it's not stupid at all. You can report anything to sony, from there to expect some medals or a nice reply from them telling how good guy you are because you exposed to them something that it's all over the place it's another situation.

So far, we have an enterprise that don't gives a damn about their system.
If they don't give a damn about their system, the end user is included in that equation and with the TOS and many other things, they managed to **** up more that we expected.
So you buy a PS3, but it's not yours, and you are not free to do the hell you want it.

Blaming the devs again?, seems cliché.
I don't know who is behind the dongles, but i have an idea, a clue.
I don't know either who are the corrupted in the devs circle.
But i cannot go (me) pointing the finger to every single dev about being corrupted. In fact i don't blame if someone get's paid for do some job (E3 team, TB team).
I can't generalize, it's not about being right or wrong.
And yes, the SCENE since his birth was full of drama:

1) Treason
2) Backstabbers
3) Two faced ones

So next time, if you tired of read drama. Read the whole story or a partial one and you will find that 3 points that i mentioned everywhere.

Originally Posted by AsSiTcH Sony cant do anything to a person who converts their console in the first place.

No, but to the product who was converted = Yes. Something called Update.

[Wolfie708]

Originally Posted by AsSiTcH Sony cant do anything to a person who converts their console in the first place.

They can as it is being done by an open abuse of their own software.

This is the Whole reason they could go for Graf and GH but not the original JB Dongle makers.

They won't as this time they could lose the case as it stands now, but as I said earlier, keep an eye out on what evidence is used to beef up security against 'pirates' across the board.

[jennys]

I purchased a PS3 early on due to it's advertised feature of being able to run Linux which I was more interested in the time then any game that was out. My sole intent was to run Linux, use it's multimedia capabilities and play the seldom game. Sony won the lawsuit against them not only due to a poor defense, but they somehow convinced the advertised feature they toted at launch time was not indeed guaranteed to stay in place and cited the EULA that is to them a legally binding contract which you agree to upon purchase.

Although, I do not remember having been presented a contract nor signed anything when purchasing my console before they removed OtherOS from the PS3 moreover I had never used PSN and agreed to any of their terms and conditions. So I did not upgrade.

How is simply purchasing a product and not being told about an instant binding contract you're not aware when and after purchasing legal? With that logic I could sell you a car, but then later come and remove the engine as a little paper in the car manual stated the frame was only yours!

My point is that Sony can do as they please and twist the laws to their favor which is why I have no problem with people hacking the complete hell out of their console as they screwed me over $600. However, after much time of debating if I should go from 3.15 to 3.55 or to OFW I chose OFW because I have no desire for pirating games, making illegal backups (it's illegal in the USA to copy video games for any reason) or using the very limited amount of homebrew for the console I chose to go the OFW route.

However, to this day I have never signed anything nor agreed to any type of EULA, but that would not stop Sony from doing whatever the heck they feel like doing. I've seen a Vita and it's impressive, but I refuse to purchase anything with their brand on it. That is how the consumer can fight back - or well, some hacker r00ting the console like the PSP. That would piss them off and make me smile.

[malex]

Originally Posted by jennys ...However, after much time of debating if I should go from 3.15 to 3.55 or to OFW I chose OFW because I have no desire for pirating games, making illegal backups (it's illegal in the USA to copy video games for any reason) or using the very limited amount of homebrew for the console I chose to go the OFW route.

Due to what I quoted you on bellow I will most likely NEVER update to OFW (highly unlikely, but still possible). Worst thing that can happen is my ps3 being off for even more time than it has spent already (sometimes 5 - 6 months).

Originally Posted by jennys ...I've seen a Vita and it's impressive, but I refuse to purchase anything with their brand on it. That is how the consumer can fight back...

This is the reason for me not to update to OFW ever. Like you I'm not interested in pirating, not because I think it's illegal, or wrong or some other saintly reason, but because with me it quickly becomes a matter of collecting games instead of playing them. While I'm not planning on pirating games, I most certainly don't plan on giving sony a single cent. I'll buy my games used from mom & pop's stores, maybe ebay, or amazon, and on second thought there is one scenario in which I will definitely pirate, if it's a good game on PSN I will have no way of buying it, so I'll pirate it if possible... and I'll feel no guilt at all.