[GraVoX959]

Someone also mentioned to me a 19 blade fan for phattys helps keep them cool as well.
Am going to try again and get myself a 60GB BC console again.. US model this time..
Last one I bought supposedly had no attempts at repair on it until I got into it & the board was warped and scorched from a ****ty hair dryer fix >

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[psyki]

i dont know rho perhaps its got all this hardware n blah blah blah but how many ground breaking releases have we seen??? uncharted pushed the bounds graphically but i can honestly say i had more fun on my ps1 and n64 even my ps2... but the ps3 had very little games that i couldn't play on the pc [with better gfx] and multiplayer is mostly online wich for me is major loss, so no i cant say it was the best and i could probably argue its one of the worst... i still have fun on it, but 90% of the time it sits around collecting dust... and it dosent cost much less than a pc gaming rig

[sandungas]

Originally Posted by TizzyT I respectfully disagree lol. As it very well may be a personal preference matter but from what I see the CECHA01 to me at least was the best model. If you wanted to technically break it down I would say that they are evens Stevens, the lack the features available on the Slims are just as bad as the efficiency on the Phats. But from what I see realistically no one really notices or cares for power draw etc, they just plug it in and use it, while features on the other hand are noticed and prefer they be present. And overheating to me wasn't really an issue, like mentioned a reball would have fixed my problems (unfortunately it was too late).

I partially agree with your tesis sir, but i must oppose to some points
Is true the CECHA has the most features (simply, because there are hardware parts that was removed in the next models)... but this is a compromise between what you want.... and the problems you will find to achieve what you want:

-The annoying turbine fan, very loud, it makes the experience of playing a suffer (whoever that has never seen a slim working... i promise, they will not believe the difference... slims are 99% silent)

-The overheating, is something that will kill the PS3 soon or later, and game over... (it doesnt mind if you do a correct reballing because the heat problem will be there forever). And we are talking about a not-modded hardware manufactured by a serious company and this is unnaceptable (the same idea can be apllyed to the dumbass engineers that designed the XBOX360 "fat" case btw)


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The removing of all PS2 hardware <----- was a technical problem, and the cause of the overheating and the turbine fan (not alone, but the most important one)

The removing of the 2 USB ports <----- this is a nonsense, imagine you are sony and you need to buy HUGE amounts of USB connectors (like 5.000.000), the price of each USB connector is ridiculous, it can be like 0.2$ each (im serious, the price of the components when bought in huge bundles is ridiculous)... also, maybe this needs a "new" USB controller chip... but again the price is ridiculous... we are talking about 1$ in total

The removing of the card reader <----- i dont understand it, for sure is more expensive to build that the removed USB ports.... this card reader was a separated board with several components... but the price difference has no importance (around 3$)

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-----efficiency & overheating notes-------
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--CECHG... removed all PS2 hardware... and replaced CELL (from 90nm to 65nm)
--CECHJ... replaced RSX (from 90nm... to 65nm)
--CECH20xx.... replaced CELL (from 65nm to 45nm)... and the turbine fan.... this is the first model of slim
--CECH21xx... replaced RSX (from 65nm to 40nm)

The real improvement was done in CECH21xx... the replacement of CELL and RSX (to 45nm & 40nm respectivelly) was a huge reduction in temperatures, fan speeds, and power compsumption (this can be translated simply as.... the life of the hardware is longer)

http://www.ps3devwiki.com/wiki/SKU_Models#Retail_Models

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Final note:
I like the features of CECHA... but i dont want a hardware with this problems
Actually you cant buy a new CECHA... so the only option is to buy an used one... and this is a bit kamikaze idea
Also... i like modding and i have no problems with a solder iron, or working with alluminium or methacrilate... one option is to build a case with your own heat dissipation system... but this is something i dont like to do with a sony product
There is no case manufacturer selling "improved cases" for PS3 fat, i dont understand it... i think is a good market

[nigelthomas]

It's not a surprise to hear that the people who own the "slim" model will say that the slim is better. but i know. and most people around the internet know that the CECHA01 is the best. i had my cecha01 since 2006 and i never had any real problem.. it's true that the noise is bothersome but i don't hear it much because it's far away from me during game play and i have surround sound. but to me. slims is just like a ps2 that could play ps3 games. nothing special. The 60GB cecha01 model has every original feature that was planned.

[sandungas]

Ok, this can be resumed as... you have no problems with the loud turbine sound... and you have no fear about overheating problems

But read the messages @japsander wrote in this thread, he "had" a CECHA

[TizzyT]

Hmm I will happily continue this debate kind sir as I have found something(s) that I would like to touch on.

-The annoying turbine fan, very loud, it makes the experience of playing a suffer (whoever that has never seen a slim working... i promise, they will not believe the difference... slims are 99% silent)

The CECHA01 fan resembles more of a blower type fan, but I will agree that the slims (at least they should be) quieter and less likely to overheat because of the die shrinks and other revisions. Although I will say that the fan noise (at least in my system) did not bother me as it didn't get all that loud until the moment it was dying which was about 5 years or so in its life.

-The overheating, is something that will kill the PS3 soon or later, and game over... (it doesnt mind if you do a correct reballing because the heat problem will be there forever). And we are talking about a not-modded hardware manufactured by a serious company and this is unnaceptable (the same idea can be apllyed to the dumbass engineers that designed the XBOX360 "fat" case btw)

Hmm overheating will kill most systems eventually I will agree there , but the ps3 if cooled will still eventually die (in a CECHA01 sense, not sure on slims) as I have asked and apparently adding water cooling to a ps3 may even speed up the systems death. The problem isn't exactly the heat that is coming from the chips (if heat sink/fan is working as they should), its the solder that is holding the chips. Most if not all people who have gotten reballs have their system still in working order.

The removing of all PS2 hardware <----- was a technical problem, and the cause of the overheating and the turbine fan (not alone, but the most important one)

I respectfully disagree and here is why so. The EE+GS is much thinner then the Cell or RSX and it produces very little heat compared to the other two. If you remember the PS2 slim the heat sink was quiet inefficient and although it had the fan it was was doing little in combination with that heat-sink and that is okay because it took little to cool the EE+GS on the ps2. On the ps3 the EE+GS is not even directly in contact with the heatsink but the metal shroud of the motherboard.

The real improvement was done in CECH21xx... the replacement of CELL and RSX (to 45nm & 40nm respectivelly) was a huge reduction in temperatures, fan speeds, and power compsumption (this can be translated simply as.... the life of the hardware is longer)

I will agree there as well in terms of a non-reballed system in comparison .

[furtsiv]

i have 60GB one and its making loud noise
ps3 slim+ps2 slim is better than backward ps3
if the temperatur of air is more than 27c then the fan make a real noise
if its less than 27c i can play ok,maybe its the same for other people

[sandungas]

I kindly agree with your points gentelman and i argument:

Originally Posted by TizzyT Hmm overheating will kill most systems eventually I will agree there , but the ps3 if cooled will still eventually die (in a CECHA01 sense, not sure on slims) as I have asked and apparently adding water cooling to a ps3 may even speed up the systems death. The problem isn't exactly the heat that is coming from the chips (if heat sink/fan is working as they should), its the solder that is holding the chips. Most if not all people who have gotten reballs have their system still in working order.

More exactly... are the temperature changes (contraction, dilatations of materials) what breaks the solder balls (and copper traces when the board bends... but PS3 motherboard has a metal protection that covers all the board to avoid bending... good point sony)
This contractions/dilatations happens in all the materials of the PS3... after some hours playing, the case makes "pops" sounds (are the plastic parts that are moving)
Weird... but this gives an idea of how the materials are deformed

And yes, a reballing (with lead solder) is much better with deformations (the lead avoids a "crack" in the metal microscopically)
In the end... a reballing can help, but the overheat problem will be there forever

Edit:
Btw... watercooling must be turned off at the same time the machine turns off... the hardware needs an slooooow time to return to "ambient" temperature... is a bad idea to keep the fans or wartercooling working when the machine turns off, because this creates a "temperature change peak" that can break the hardware (BGA solder balls with no-lead solder can "break")

Originally Posted by TizzyT I respectfully disagree and here is why so. The EE+GS is much thinner then the Cell or RSX and it produces very little heat compared to the other two. If you remember the PS2 slim the heat sink was quiet inefficient and although it had the fan it was was doing little in combination with that heat-sink and that is okay because it took little to cool the EE+GS on the ps2. On the ps3 the EE+GS is not even directly in contact with the heatsink but the metal shroud of the motherboard.

You sir have a point there, touche, PS2 slim was not too hot (his headspreader and fan are not too big)
Not a big problem in PS3... but it was something that was adding more heat to the system and probably a bit expensive
What i think is the removing of the PS2 hardware... was the "easyer" way they found to reduce overheating... and also a way to reduce the manufacturing prices

But it was not the main cause of overheating, because i have a CECHG (and a CECH25xx)... the CECHG is the first model without PS2 hardware... and replaced CELL (from 90nm to 65nm)... and the fan of this one is still a turbine... about heat i never meassured it, but i replaced the thermal paste with artic silver 5 (the original one sucks btw, and in mine was degraded)

[v8s10]

Originally Posted by sandungas I kindly agree with your points gentelman and i argument: More exactly... are the temperature changes (contraction, dilatations of materials) what breaks the solder balls (and copper traces when the board bends... but PS3 motherboard has a metal protection that covers all the board to avoid bending... good point sony) This contractions/dilatations happens in all the materials of the PS3... after some hours playing, the case makes "pops" sounds (are the plastic parts that are moving) Weird... but this gives an idea of how the materials are deformed

This is exactly the reason one of my CECHA01's NEVER gets turned off....runs 24/7 for over a year now. I'm curious to see how long it'll live...lol

Originally Posted by sandungas But it was not the main cause of overheating, because i have a CECHG (and a CECH25xx)... the CECHG is the first model without PS2 hardware... and replaced CELL (from 90nm to 65nm)... and the fan of this one is still a turbine... about heat i never meassured it, but i replaced the thermal paste with artic silver 5 (the original one sucks btw, and in mine was degraded)

The best thing I ever did was to replace the thermal compound UNDER the heatspreaders of the CELL and RSX with MX-4. Done it to 3 of 4 of my CECHA01's. They run quieter than my PC does. Probably because of proper heat transfer the fan doesn't need to run at jet speed to keep it cool.

[wookieboy76]

chechc01 is also just as good, personally i think they made them very well from launch, maybe made more slowly. who knws. but cant fault my dream machine