[bigo93]

@poorguy yes this is exactly what they are doing.

They should really release all the info because it will still produce an increase in E3 flasher sales. We've seen how slow the scene has been, people want cfw and ofw and their product offers it.
Eventually $ony will block all cfw, so peopel will become stuck again, teh choice between cfw or psn.

The e3 flasher's dual boot feature removes all that, and tbh in they released the 4.21 keys, if they have them, it would produce a bigger rise in sales. Well I have 3 ps3s so dont really need one, but I probably would buy one just in case and to show support for them if they did make the scene free again.
Note that even though you have to buy the e3flasher for dual boot, it is OPTIONAL, not forced with DRM. People who dont buy would still be able to have cfw, but lose psn.

Though there is one thing I have wondered, why hasnt there been any clones of the e3 flasher??? Cloners jumped on dongles and downgraders are another source of money for them to rip people off with, so why no clone of this???

[poorguy]

Originally Posted by hellsing9 E3 team can manage to survive with the E3 flasher, but TB team..dead?.

If they end up releasing all eboots and keys for free or even a 4.21 CFW as well Team E3 won't survive for long anyways.. Who needs a flasher when there is CFW for the latest version already.. M looking for the catch... Cos I am very sure there is pretty "sneaky" one in there... And of course, a 4.00/4.10 CFW still means some of them may require a flasher but I doubt after coming so close 4.21 will be very far.. As for TB.. That's an unusually quiet team for someone who is taking a lot of beating.. Either the fire is out or it's just the "calm before the storm".. I don't feel like counting them out just yet..
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@bigo93 nobody gonna clone the E3 flasher.. Even at present people find it difficult to use it while downgrading and end up with bricks... Plus as @furtsiv pointed out most of noobs go to professionals for downgrading and one flasher can downgrade any number of ps3's.. Who knows, maybe the sales of the E3 flasher are not so great (we don't really know the official figure).. it may not as lucrative a business as it sounds...

[bigo93]

Well as I said there is also the dual boot feature. If people cannot do it themselves they will get someone else to do it and get dual boot as well, and then be able to have cfw and ofw on one console.

[hellsing9]

@poorguy Indeed E3 flashers sales went down. That's one reason of the new *dongle* and the suit with the *Move* controllers.

Let me remind me, that E3 in fact was NOT the first one to present a hardware flasher, was uf6667 with his Progkseet the first one to make a *solid* proof state of art hardware flasher not n00b friendly.

Another fact, the quality of E3 flashers are *cheap* most of the bricks of the ones who want some thrill to downgrade their console the big problem is = THE CLIP.
The same happens if you buy xbox360 clip with progskeet.
Something that until today (and i doubt they never will) improve the product quality (E3) and some other way to get a better CLIP.
Hence a clip bad seated on the NOR, will cause infinite bad dumps. Ending with on best case with a brick and worst case a Perma.

I will remark this again, you STILL NEED A FLASHER. Something goes wrong, it's better have a flasher than nothing at all.
You **** up, you have the flasher. It's always best to have a PLAN B that have none.
TB is sitting there in silence.

P.s: My words on this = NO CFW, NO MFW.

[r07f1]

Originally Posted by NF7 The only 3.60 Keys that were released are the 3.60 APPLDR Keys, which are used only to sign APPS/Games. The key that is necessary for 3.60CFW in LV0 key. It is obtained, because APPLDR keys could not be obtained without it, but it isn't/hasn't been released. We won't see 3.60CFW until LV0 key or PCK0 is obtained. PCK0 - PerConsoleKey0 aka the holy grail of PS3 keys

Check your facts mate... APPLDR LV1 LV2 and stuff...

how do you think @PsDev decrypted the released coreOS files... and no you can't sign anything with the provided keys since they are the public keys ie. used for decryption... and the private keys (used in encryption) can't be calculated the way they were anymore... so you can't encrypt anything past 355..

[NF7]

Originally Posted by r07f1 Check your facts mate... APPLDR LV1 LV2 and stuff... how do you think @PsDev decrypted the released coreOS files... and no you can't sign anything with the provided keys since they are the public keys ie. used for decryption... and the private keys (used in encryption) can't be calculated the way they were anymore... so you can't encrypt anything past 355..

I know there was an error. Where I wrote sign 3.60 apps I mean't decrypt. You can only sign 3.55 because of the 3.55 existing error in Sony ECSDA algorithm...But still no CFW 3.55+ to this day...

[BobbyBangin]

Originally Posted by poorguy If they end up releasing all eboots and keys for free or even a 4.21 CFW as well Team E3 won't survive for long anyways.. Who needs a flasher when there is CFW for the latest version already..

Bingo! They're fooling everybody into thinking they're doing them a favor. What they're actually doing is luring everybody in by getting them on their good side and doing themselves a favor. Not that I'm ungrateful for the info they've released. Mind you, I haven't used any new release method recently including the CEX-DEX or the new decrypted EBOOTS from E3. Although, Goldeneye does look tempting. I'm still waiting on a new clean break which we will only get from a full release of all keys.

[oPolo]

I might have misunderstood what you meant, but.. The consoles that has a minimum firmware higher than 3.55, such as 3.60... Even if E3 or someone else suddenly releases a CFW at version 3.60 or 3.70, who knows, they won't be able to downgrade anyway, though their minimum firmware version is 3.60 or 3.70.
Sony's newer revision to the metaloader (it is referred to as metldr.2 if you wanna googlexpand your knowledge) that they incorporated in newer PS3s after they were exploited, blocks downgrading.

[poorguy]

@oPolo yes.. you are right.. the metldr.2.. thats a *itch.. that could actually makes the Flashers useless in any case except if there is an exploit to it that we have again not been made aware off.. However, any more assumptions is gonna make this theory useless.. so yes, if you have a metldr.2 and you upgraded from 3.60, it's not possible..
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Originally Posted by hellsing9 TB is sitting there in silence.

- For Now.

Originally Posted by hellsing9 P.s: My words on this = NO CFW, NO MFW.

Not yet. But who knows.

[pereb27]

1/ As mentioned above, there is metldr.2. There is also lv0.2 and possibly (hasn't been confirmed but I have no doubt they have that revision on 3.60+ factory units) bootldr.2.

Metldr.2 prevents loading 3.55 CFW because they removed its ability to decrypt lv1, lv2, isoldr, rvkldr and appldr since in 3.60+ lv0 does that.

lv0.2 prevents loading a modified lv0 (should the keys ever be released), supposedly it's a metadata for lv0.2 encrypted with new, uncrackable keys, and bootldr.2 would check lv0.2 and compare with lv0 to make sure it hasn't been modified.

The only way to get CFW running on those newer models is finding a completely new exploit (so starting from scratch).

2/ Just because someone has 3.60+ lv1, lv2, appldr and npdrm keys does not mean they have lv0 keys. They could have an exploit of a higher level than lv0.