[Adamsville]

Originally Posted by hellsing9 One ping of silence for our fallen *Dongles* provided by Opa and Maximus. Regards From my Shenzen friends.

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[jennys]

Originally Posted by hellsing9 One ping of silence for our fallen *Dongles* provided by Opa and

[win] + r
cmd [enter]
ping screwtrueblue.com



I already said this, but starting this thread was for the most part a mistake.

Also, you people coming in here to tell me how wrong I am, how right you are, where I should go, the name calling, etc .... then saying I have a superiority complex need to check themselves as it's not in just this thread that they behave as such.

I think it's more of an ego issue in which case ego's are a part of someones personality and I have no problem with people that have larger ego's then others as usually they are more "out-there" and "interesting". A larger ego helps define a person and separates them from the crowd.

However, when I am attacked in a thread for trying to help someone out of giving them my opinion in which I do in a manner which is non combative I am attacked in means that include all sort of nasty immature comments and then when I stand up to the attacker I am labeled as having a "superiority complex".

What a load of immature hypocritical doo doo.

[psyki]

Originally Posted by jennys [win] + r cmd [enter] ping screwtrueblue.com I already said this, but starting this thread was for the most part a mistake. Also, you people coming in here to tell me how wrong I am, how right you are, where I should go, the name calling, etc .... then saying I have a superiority complex need to check themselves as it's not in just this thread that they behave as such. I think it's more of an ego issue in which case ego's are a part of someones personality and I have no problem with people that have larger ego's then others as usually they are more "out-there" and "interesting". A larger ego helps define a person and separates them from the crowd. However, when I am attacked in a thread for trying to help someone out of giving them my opinion in which I do in a manner which is non combative I am attacked in means that include all sort of nasty immature comments and then when I stand up to the attacker I am labeled as having a "superiority complex". What a load of immature hypocritical doo doo.

u still dont get it do you. i dont mind the fact that u start a thread raising ur opinion but when you cant even justify your claims then still refuse to back down, its no more than a childish argument, you say u like a good debate but show very little interest in a debate that you started. perhaps if you had more than just blind accusation i could take u seriously and try to avoid name calling but at the moment it seems that all ur doing is trying to stir some SH!T

PS. and no i don't like ur sig... thats not a personal attack tho, i just find it pretentious

[JayDee78]

Originally Posted by jennys Thanks for the reply.....

Shorting it down a bit

Well, i actually forgot about the X3 bios hack by Yoshihir0, but in all fairness: The X3 was more about the bells and whistles, then promoting big new features.

I do not remember so much about config live (x3 os) but Smartxx´s os was built on GPL code but no source was ever made available.

Perfect example of re-drm, and it was frowned upon back then too:
http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/...lAbussDOyf.php


On source code, just check XBMC

We (XBMC Team) provided the sourcecode and support , others compiled it and put it on xbins

Sitting on LOADS of original sourcecode for most things xbox1, alot of it should be no problem to release as opensource. (Granted xdk would be needed to compile, but thats not a core problem when it comes to the original source)

Enough on memories, this IS a ps3 site after all

There are exclusions on the DMCA you know Just take a look on the iphone and jailbreaking it.(Not allowed first but now it is) The same do not apply for the Ps3/xbox360 (YET) but we are in a gray area right now.

And what an EULA says (not allowed to make a copy etc) is not a law.

Make sure to know the difference between what a company says you can do and what is allowed by law; DMCA vs. Fair-use (making a copy of my dvd/cd for personal use)

I have a hard time seeing BLANK modchips being illegal in the USA, heck even a 360 glitchchip would be illegal then (or even any smartphone/calculator that could be used with the 3.41 jb)

The chip without sw is 100% useless and cant circumvent anything...

[jennys]

Originally Posted by JayDee78 Well, i actually forgot about the X3 bios hack by Yoshihir0, but in all fairness: The X3 was more about the bells and whistles, then promoting big new features.

Ah, that's how you spell his name. I think he's changed his nick or gone into hiding after bricking many of PS3. Bells or Whistles - they still implemented DRM, but like you mentioned the method they used is far different from the TB.

Originally Posted by JayDee78 I do not remember so much about config live (x3 os) but Smartxx´s os was built on GPL code but no source was ever made available. Perfect example of re-drm, and it was frowned upon back then too: http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/...lAbussDOyf.php

Yes I remember as most modification products out there use some sort of code be it free, open source or copyrighted to employ their technical bypasses.

Originally Posted by JayDee78 On source code, just check XBMC Sitting on LOADS of original sourcecode for most things xbox1, alot of it should be no problem to release as opensource. (Granted xdk would be needed to compile, but thats not a core problem when it comes to the original source)

Indeed, most programs on xbins have an optional source download.

Originally Posted by JayDee78 There are exclusions on the DMCA you know Just take a look on the iphone and jailbreaking it.(Not allowed first but now it is) The same do not apply for the Ps3/xbox360 (YET) but we are in a gray area right now.

Circumventing the security built into such mentioned products is legal, but downloading and using software you do not own is illegal and so is making backups of software you do own. Copying anything that is copyrighted is against the DMCA even if it's your own personal stuff unless the author of the software gives you the option to do so (like sharing games on hand held video game devices).

If rooting/jailbreaking/hacking video game consoles does get excluded from the DMCA it will still be illegal to copy or download games that you own or do not own for any reason unless you're given express permission from the author(s).

Originally Posted by JayDee78 And what an EULA says (not allowed to make a copy etc) is not a law. Make sure to know the difference between what a company says you can do and what is allowed by law; DMCA vs. Fair-use (making a copy of my dvd/cd for personal use)

Yes, anyone can write anything on paper, but that does not make it legal. An example is my Landlord that says I will agree to not take any problem I have with them to court judged by a Jury; however that goes against my states law therefor nullifying that part of the contract.

It's also like Sony stating you agreed to their EULA when purchasing their products when you never had the chance to read them first or signed any type of binding contract. Their EULA is merely scare tactics. The Warranty on the other hand is an entirely different issue.

Originally Posted by JayDee78 I have a hard time seeing BLANK modchips being illegal in the USA, heck even a 360 glitchchip would be illegal then (or even any smartphone/calculator that could be used with the 3.41 jb) The chip without sw is 100% useless and cant circumvent anything...

The DMCA states that anything that is based solely on circumvention of security in an electronic device is illegal. Since the sole purpose of the blank chip is to be flashed with code to do just that then that is how they justify seizing them at the border and raiding modchip sellers/installers homes. It were to be different if the blank chip itself had many legitimate uses, but most modchips are specifically designed for one purpose - circumventing the security code.

This is why USB Development boards aren't included in this category as they have many other uses then solely allowing you to play pirated games. However, then the producer of the code would make no money from it's sales so it's not a viable option for scene companies.

You are very knowledgeable and thank you for your reply.

[Cheesethief]

Originally Posted by jennys /snip

The DMCA does have exceptions for copying something you own. You are allowed only one digital copy/back up of that "thing."

If you are going to use something in a debate, please make sure you know what you are talking about.


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[JayDee78]

The DMCA states that anything that is based solely on circumvention of security in an electronic device is illegal. Since the sole purpose of the blank chip is to be flashed with code to do just that then that is how they justify seizing them at the border and raiding modchip sellers/installers homes. It were to be different if the blank chip itself had many legitimate uses, but most modchips are specifically designed for one purpose - circumventing the security code.

Still have a vague memory about duox2/x2/etc being shipped with cromwell bioses just to rid of customs problems. But thats close to 10 years ago. Guess the rules have changed.

The coolrunner glitchchip right now are a multipurpose chip, but it is streamlined into a way of circumventing the security of the x360, thus being illegal? And they are still shipped blank, the end user flashes the timing files to them.

They CAN be used for other things, but are sold SOLELY to gain access to the x360, that circumvent the security, so by your way to interpret the DMCA they are illegal?

How about the original jtag hack for the 360, legal or illegal?
Only a few diods and resistors used.

Are the nand-x´s sold illegal, as they are SOLELY used to read out the nand that the user needs to modify?

I am not talking about other nand readers, just the nand-x, as it is a commercial product from a modchip maker used solely to circumvent the security.


The thing with TB, that i have a problem with, is not that they have made a dongle.

It´s that the dongle is not needed and that they are charging money for warez.


One can not dispute this FACT. If pkg´s are deleted hourly right now due to copyright infringement, then that means without a shadow of a doubt that TB is doing just that when releasing game patches...

I sure download my fair bit, but i would NEVER, EVER, NEVER pay for warez.

There is where my line is drawn, and i will NEVER cross it!

Sidestepping the thread a bit here, but find this convo stimulating.

[Ubefuct]

The ones I see asking for fixes and free games are one post wonders. A lot of us buy our games(support your devs) and are excited to play them on our cfw. Maybe for mods maybe just for discless play. I for one only have mw3 from the list, these releases will allow me to decide if I want to buy more. Remember if the devs dont make money making good games, game quality will go down.