[Ada Love Lace]

In that case, anything related to SDK, CFW or modding game is not producing.
And what is the case if the eboot fix released are from homebrew tools not containing any proprietary code?

GraVoX959 was right if it was fews months/years ago, but the scene don t have so much more users and homebrews makers.

[GraVoX959]

Originally Posted by Annelies Until I'm shown a dictionary definition of homebrew that reputable sources have recognized and that is renowned worldwide... I don't buy it. To me homebrew is anything created, modified or produced in the Scene. Period.

Bahaha I understand you're a bit young and probably don't grasp it.. hell you probably don't care. Homebrew is totally different to hacks & cracks.
What you are saying is that TB was releasing homebrew.
You are saying that recognized warez groups are releasing homebrew.
I'll dumb it down as much as possible for you because the terms homebrew, hacks and cracks have been around longer than you've been alive.
No you won't find it in a dictionary but its widely accepted and known as the definition.
Kind of like how noob isn't in the dictionary but is widely accepted as meaning - dumbass who says/asks stupid things. Not educated and likely not willing to be educated.

Homebrew - an application or game written by a person or persons without the aid of a development studio.
Eg: ThatOtherDev and his games. He is a homebrew dev and his games are homebrew.
Blackbox released an FTP application.

Hack - code or 'trick' used to bypass security measures or expand upon its current capabilities (talking console only).
Eg: geohot hacked the PS3 first.
He found an exploit and developed a hack that other teams expanded into what we have today.

Crack - code or hack that bypasses the security of a game or application.
Eg: TB cracked the security of Portal 2 and released the cracked EBOOT.
NODRM cracked the security of TB and released their cracked EBOOTs.
Skidrow cracked the security of some PC game and released a crack.

PSSuite on the Vita was designed to allow hobby devs to create basic homebrew... they did not do it so people could crack the security on their games.

Hopefully that makes a bit of sense to you.. maybe look on Wikipedia for 'homebrew console' you won't see any references to hacks or cracks.

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[GraVoX959]

Originally Posted by Ada Love Lace In that case, anything related to SDK, CFW or modding game is not producing. And what is the case if the eboot fix released are from homebrew tools not containing any proprietary code?

Well they are still cracked games.. if they released the tool they used then yes that is homebrew.. purists don't like it.. its the darker side of homebrew but the tool used is technically yes.

GraVoX959 was right if it was fews months/years ago, but the scene don t have so much more users and homebrews makers.

The scene has plenty of homebrew devs.. and just because one console lacks as much brew as previous platforms (Xbox, PSP, Dreamcast) does not mean the definition should be changed.



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[Morphosis]

Originally Posted by GraVoX959 /snip

Very well said, GraVoX. Eboots cracked and homebrew program are completely different.

[Adamsville]

think the title's just missing a comma

homebrew, releases, and updates recap

[Ada Love Lace]

Originally Posted by GraVoX959 Well they are still cracked games.. if they released the tool they used then yes that is homebrew.. purists don't like it.. its the darker side of homebrew but the tool used is technically yes. The scene has plenty of homebrew devs.. and just because one console lacks as much brew as previous platforms (Xbox, PSP, Dreamcast) does not mean the definition should be changed. Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2

Thanks you for the reply, well i agree with you for most of it but at this point, it s now a kind of luxe to make such difference.
I don t agree about "darkside" description and fews months ago eboot fixe/crack was seem as that (or only if released by "team")
More specifics about that team. N0DRM, the fact they are doing fix for even exotic game is even better and should be "supported" (and so, giving light to that)
They even probably never play most of the game.
For me, they are doing it for history so it s enough for being fine for me. Even if in conspiracy mind, it can be a way to clean and prepare new dongle.

I will say the definition should be "adapted" to fit as possible front page etc..

One other problem to be purist about it (and you are right to be but not now anymore and in public) is the previous "official" state of the scene about piracy. It s over now and anyone saying against to be piracy can not be (sadly) taken seriously. Blame the ones who were trying to scare mass user by saying "we don t do that because it s piracy or you should go buy your games" and at the same time ...well you know better than me what they were doing.

So again, you were right fews years/months ago or if it was in other scene but for PS3 i believe it can be misleading or luxe to do so.

[GraVoX959]

@Ada Love Lace don't get me wrong.. I personally don't care at all about piracy or backups. I agree its great that they are looking after people who play the more exotic games. I don't really play retail games much anymore so it doesn't affect me.

I do and always will say the terms need to separated. There is a 20+ yr history of homebrew, I wrote a homebrew game with my brother when I was 7 yrs old (1988) for the C64.. I've never cared about piracy and I'd be lying if I said I'd bought every game, movie, song etc that I own. I'd hate to have what I did back then associated with piracy though.
To me its the same as a graffiti artist (note artist) who gets lumped in the same boat as a lame tagger.

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[GregoryRasputin]

@Annelies , @GraVoX959 is correct in what he says, eBoot cracks are not homebrew and should not be considered as such.

Homebrew is a game or software created by a homebrew dev, eBoots are just cracked/modified by someone, there is no homebrewing involved.

[sardine]

@grav ox: Well said by speaking the truth hope people will understand the meaning like GR.

@GR :I think this is the way people would like to see in you.


Wait a minute...........dont get me wrong i,m not saying we can't have eboot or tools to crack games or play it

[DEFAULTDNB]

I agree: An eboot fix is not homebrew.