[baargle]

Originally Posted by carldenning why would u need a spoofer on 4.25 ?when its the latest fw how would u run spoofer ? unless u got keys to sign and unsign

Ummm it's probs just an update of the 4.11 spoofer, as in it doesn't do anything except block updates. There are games that ask to update to higher version than is needed to run game due to param.sfo as I'm sure you are aware.

[TheFrenchy]

all the drama is useless and ridiculous.

scene and end users need devs to free their consoles.
devs need scene and end users to get some "fame" and "glory".

devs got no reasons to share and to release something to badass end users like too mutch on the web (all end users arent badass but we only remember the bad ones ...)

They do it because of fame and glory.
this is about ego thats all, but in our world who doesnt have ego ?! NOBODY !

SO PLS WE ALL NEED EACH OTHERS SO CALM DOWN DRAMA IS USELESS AND RIDICULOUS.

NO OFFENSE this is MY OPINION and only MY OPINION .

so lets talk about something about exploits that can make a move on the scene....

[carldenning]

Originally Posted by baargle Ummm it's probs just an update of the 4.11 spoofer, as in it doesn't do anything except block updates. There are games that ask to update to higher version than is needed to run game due to param.sfo as I'm sure you are aware.

yes i know but its not same as dex . u cant install cex fw on a dex from recovery mode or xmb unless u convert back to cex .

[jennys]

I have to agree on the entitlement issue. If per say a developer in a group (there are lots of groups; you can't just slam them all for ones possible collective actions) does indeed know how to run un/self/signed code on it allowing for homebrew and copies to be played this person and/or group has ZERO obligation to share it with anyone. If they figured it out then the method they figured out is theirs and not yours even if it was built using open source and free information. If you build a house with lumber from a friend that gave it to you does that then mean he has a right to your house and to do what he pleases with it? No, that's just silly and so are these self entitled trolls who beg, cry and wine about how *inner circles* won't share with them. Why not put some of that negative energy into doing something positive? Well, that would be difficult and God knows kids these days don't want anything to do with helping themselves - they want handouts. So go stand in the scene welfare line and vote for the person who is all talk, but thus talk is full of lies and broken promises and keep doing that as you have for over two years.

If there is a method for a CFW for newer firmwares I would love to have it as I'm on OFW, but I do not expect anything from anyone. Back in the day we used to all hang out and participate, but then comes in the negativity that broke the scene into pieces such as hatred for your fellow scener and lust for fame and fortune (or free stuff).

I see no lines. I don't see "us vs anyone". I see a scene with different groups of people who are alike that communicate in small groups, IRC chatrooms, Wiki's and on the larger scale popular website forums. Most are more alike then they wish to admit and some are so blinded by their hate for their fellow man that you can barely have a civilized conversation with them and they use this anger to pursue their agenda's that have nothing to do with helping the scene grow or making it a better place.

When did people forget about how fun a scene can be when you all work towards a common goal, respect eachother and your differences and instead of trying to pass the next car only to run into a car in front of it you could just be blowing off any steam you have from being in a group of people who love to play video games.

What happened to that? Why must you use what little effort you have for hate? It takes a small weak man to do bad things, but it takes a much stronger one to admit they are wrong. There's no "sides" - there are just groups of people all over the place who are different, but come to the scene for a common goal.

When did this get forgotten? Where you not even aware a scene could be a great place to be.

Take a look at the Wii scene and contrast it with the PS3. I think you'll see that the unity and cooperation of sceners, developers and hackers produced one of the most open, versatile and "fun" environment to be in. The fruits that grew from that strong tree show in the quality and quantity of homebrew and exploits. I think the same could be said about the XBOX1 and NDS.

Grow up and act like men otherwise things will continue to get worse - that is unless you do something about it that doesn't involve being a complete arse.

[enosrasun]

PS3 scene drama act !@!!

I am loving it!!!


disclaimer

this come for free ,and if start laugh about it we are not responsible,have a good time

[baargle]

Originally Posted by evilsperm Do i really need to even answer you... Here lets go simple terms, I can always go back to the argument even if we had a 4.2x cfw do we have to give it to you or the rest of the world?? See you fail to understand you nor anyone else are entitled to anything, and the repo was for a spoofer and we dont run on 4.25 seeing it causes issue so maybe before you go starting more drama you might want to check your attitude I mean **** with your current attitude even if we do have 4.2x cfw what makes you think we would release it with a bunch that cray all the time and say "the inner circle holds the scene back" I mean **** without the suposed "inner circle" none of you *****es would have **** all so remember that lmfao I actually just looked at this thread topic fuc.k you guys on this site are hard core trolls!

This has been gone over and over in the past on here and you were involved in the discussion.

Basically, the majority of the world on an aggregate basis are a-holes. That's just fact. a-holes not by nature but by ignorance, that's just life. We see these people every day and it's why we don't say "hello" to everyone we meet. Most people have a group of friends but they aren't "friends" with everyone.

You and your inner circle (I dunno just short hand), don't seem to grasp that there's a good many people amongst the a-holes that are pretty reasonable and decent.

By painting everyone with that brush of "your not greatful", you kinda annoy the people who actually respect the work you have done, don't make a fool of themselves begging for releases and their life doesn't depend on the work you do.

You'll find that the people who you and your close chums dislike are EXACTLY the same people like Gregory dislike, people who come here begging for CFW 4.xx, want latest keys, don't research, don't read forum rules, and so forth.

Surely it's kinda obvious I mean we're talking about basic human behavior. I'm not meaning to insult you here.

I'm curious as to your anger or rather dislike of the whole due to the rotten ones in the bunch, as outlined, that's life. I've got no right to tell you what to do, but that's not what I'm doing - or Gregory I expect if he calms down for a second



What's the deal here. Why the bad feeling. People are dumb and speak before thinking. Sorry but that's life. It pisses me off no end but crikey if you're going to put work into something why not just have take the pride and respect from those that give it and forget the tools that don't really understand.

In summary, why deny someone something when you can give it to them with no effort, does it have to come down to who owes who whatever? There's some very basic analogies here that could be used. Like treat others as you would like to be treated, and all that feel good rubbish.



Anyway, finally...(rant nearly over)...If everyone took that stance of not giving to a group because there were a majority of ungreatful people, or rather ignorant...then nothing in the world would get done. We're all ignorant in some area, nobody is perfect. There are people who post here and I'm thinking "What on earth is wrong with this person?"...I'm sure in real life...they are decent enough, just not perfect...

This goes for every internet forum the world over as I'm sure you're aware.

[jennys]

Originally Posted by baargle Basically, the majority of the world on an aggregate basis are a-holes. That's just fact.

It takes one to know one and that is not a fact you mentioned is the way YOU perceive others and frankly it's quite depressing. You snap at him for generalization, but then the rest of your post goes on to do just that. Sure, he not helping the situation by grouping sceners and pretending that developers are any more important then anyone else is, but your dis-mill outlook on people and how others act isn't going to help solve any problems either.

[GregoryRasputin]

Originally Posted by jennys You snap at him for generalization, but then the rest of your post goes on to do just that.

He did not "snap" at anyone, he spoke very respectfully and to the point.

[zeeks]

Originally Posted by jennys I have to agree on the entitlement issue. If per say a developer in a group (there are lots of groups; you can't just slam them all for ones possible collective actions) does indeed know how to run un/self/signed code on it allowing for homebrew and copies to be played this person and/or group has ZERO obligation to share it with anyone. If they figured it out then the method they figured out is theirs and not yours even if it was built using open source and free information. If you build a house with lumber from a friend that gave it to you does that then mean he has a right to your house and to do what he pleases with it? No, that's just silly and so are these self entitled trolls who beg, cry and wine about how *inner circles* won't share with them. Why not put some of that negative energy into doing something positive? Well, that would be difficult and God knows kids these days don't want anything to do with helping themselves - they want handouts. So go stand in the scene welfare line and vote for the person who is all talk, but thus talk is full of lies and broken promises and keep doing that as you have for over two years. If there is a method for a CFW for newer firmwares I would love to have it as I'm on OFW, but I do not expect anything from anyone. Back in the day we used to all hang out and participate, but then comes in the negativity that broke the scene into pieces such as hatred for your fellow scener and lust for fame and fortune (or free stuff). I see no lines. I don't see "us vs anyone". I see a scene with different groups of people who are alike that communicate in small groups, IRC chatrooms, Wiki's and on the larger scale popular website forums. Most are more alike then they wish to admit and some are so blinded by their hate for their fellow man that you can barely have a civilized conversation with them and they use this anger to pursue their agenda's that have nothing to do with helping the scene grow or making it a better place. When did people forget about how fun a scene can be when you all work towards a common goal, respect eachother and your differences and instead of trying to pass the next car only to run into a car in front of it you could just be blowing off any steam you have from being in a group of people who love to play video games. What happened to that? Why must you use what little effort you have for hate? It takes a small weak man to do bad things, but it takes a much stronger one to admit they are wrong. There's no "sides" - there are just groups of people all over the place who are different, but come to the scene for a common goal. When did this get forgotten? Where you not even aware a scene could be a great place to be. Take a look at the Wii scene and contrast it with the PS3. I think you'll see that the unity and cooperation of sceners, developers and hackers produced one of the most open, versatile and "fun" environment to be in. The fruits that grew from that strong tree show in the quality and quantity of homebrew and exploits. I think the same could be said about the XBOX1 and NDS. Grow up and act like men otherwise things will continue to get worse - that is unless you do something about it that doesn't involve being a complete arse.

The difference between the ps3 scene and the wii/xbox scene is that those particulare consoles are wide open. they were exploited and unable to recover - as far as I am aware (I am by no means a xbox/wii or even ps3 scene expert). Those users have their cake and eat it in other words.

This scene was exciting and alive and kicking when 3.41-3.55 was exploited. Sony patched the exploit and (so far) the end users have either had to stay on 3.55 with occasional new games or update and remember the old days. Lets face it a vast majority must have updated.

Then along came the cancer which is TB. Im not going into detail but they made a killing from their exploit (which they didnt release publicly - as you stated they are more than in their rights to do) and it was the only way to play the newer games. It sold bucketloads and the scene was split in two. This created a certain level of animosity towards devs (who most feel could no longer be trusted).

Anyway I agree that whatever they create is theirs. They dont have to give us or release anything. I for one am perfectly happy on 3.55 as I have tons of games to play and everything I need. If 4.21 ever does come out then so be it and happy days. And a big well done to the devs who created/exploited it. If not, no hard feelings, but good effort anyway.

(I think) the vast majority of moaners are:
1. users who updated above 3.55 in the early days
2. new sceners who were never apart of 3.55
3. people who still have a mistrust to devs because of trueblue incident

[stevorkz]

Originally Posted by twistay It's like having a full bread in your hand but you aren't hungry anymore and in stead of giving it to the homeless guy sitting next to you. You just throw it in a garbage bin in front of him.

What we are talking about are digital wares so actually its worse.

If (certain) devs would give away what they have...they themselves would still have it. It would be like having a full bread that they could simply copy in seconds and keep the original, but they choose not to give it to the homeless guy. There's the perfect parable

HOWEVER...personally I don't generalize like those "high and mighty" devs and I do respect the devs that would release. If only the bad batch would grow up and act like adults.

Seriously enough is enough. Look at my signature and learn something from it.