[Cut_Glass]

Originally Posted by hello345 Don't you think that Sony got enough damage after the PSN hack though? Cost them around $170 million dollars.

The whole PSN debacle was their own fault, they should not have been running outdated software with documented security holes which they later stated they were aware of the vulnerability but felt they had it under control as no hacker could use the know security hole to breach their servers being as they were located in a future parallel universe [citation needed]. When you add to this they stored our personal data unencrypted and took a week deciding if they should let us know our personal info could be in the hands of criminals then it shows the real care they had for maintaining the integrity of our personal data and respect for us the consumer and our privacy. Now we have to agree to allow for their incompetence to continue using PSN fantastic!

So no it was all on them plus the 170M dollars dollars you quoted is just a drop in the ocean for Sony. Unfortunately most corps have a similar attitude towards consumers when they know they can get away with it as Sony has proved.

[Ada Love Lace]

Originally Posted by Cut_Glass So no it was all on them plus the 170M dollars dollars you quoted is just a drop in the ocean for Sony.

It s not a drop in the ocean for Sony.

And new cfw means also users can buy games or blue ray movies again without the fear of not being able to play them.

That crush, to love hating Sony, it s so much 2010 fashion.

[hello345]

Originally Posted by Cut_Glass The whole PSN debacle was their own fault, they should not have been running outdated software with documented security holes which they later stated they were aware of the vulnerability but felt they had it under control as no hacker could use the know security hole to breach their servers being as they were located in a future parallel universe [citation needed]. When you add to this they stored our personal data unencrypted and took a week deciding if they should let us know our personal info could be in the hands of criminals then it shows the real care they had for maintaining the integrity of our personal data and respect for us the consumer and our privacy. Now we have to agree to allow for their incompetence to continue using PSN fantastic! So no it was all on them plus the 170M dollars dollars you quoted is just a drop in the ocean for Sony. Unfortunately most corps have a similar attitude towards consumers when they know they can get away with it as Sony has proved.

Do you have any source to where Sony said they knew about the vulnerability, but did nothing about it? I mean an official statement from Sony. This is new to me, so i'd like to read more about it

The reason why it took about a week (it took about 2 days before they mentioned the hack) is probably because they wanted to investigate first. It can be discussed what the best solution is in a situation like this, but if they went out prematurely without checking more into what was hacked first, it could cause unecessary worrying if they found out that no info was at risk.

But regardless of whose fault the PSN hack was, i was wondering why you thought the civil lawsuit was needed as an extra punishment. Sony's economics is weaker at this point. They have lost money for many years in a row now, so that $170 million is not a drop in the ocean as Ada Love Lace mentioned above here.

I'm wondering what you wanted to be done differently in this case with the civil lawsuits.

These cases are about civil lawsuits. People who sue Sony because they mean they have gotten so much damage to them that they require financial compensation for this (unless i'm missing something here). If it was proven that Sony did nothing to protect the data, this might have been illegal and the case would be very different.

It is your choice if you want to use PSN or not. If someone feels that it is dangerous to use PSN, then they don't have to use it. There are alternatives to use, like Xbox Live Gold, Steam or Origin etc.

[OoZic]

$ony is just responsible for not having their servers updated. Doesn't matter if they knew it or not (yeah, they knew). They have money enough (that 170m is peanuts for them indeed) but to make their stock holders happy they cut in costs. And that is why they are (still) not up to date with their servers... More servers as people to maintain them

Money is just more important to $ony as our security... Same goes for corrupt lawyers and judges. Have fun with $ony's money dear judge. Buy some coke and go to a strip club like all other corrupt officials do with their black money

[Cut_Glass]

@Ada Love Lace I dont give a **** what is trendy I dislike Sony for their behaviour and attitude towards its customers regardless of what year it is. $175M is less than 0.25% of Sony's annual revenue from this year...

@hello345 Just do some googleing they released an official statement you will see it.. It was a know issue and thats the point.

They should have mentioned their was a possibility of lost data as soon as they knew about it (it was 6 days from the date of intrusion) rather then try to save face and fail... Almost everyone agrees on this because its such a big deal.

Its not about "punishment" as much as being made culpable for their actions. I dont want to see Sony obliterated from the earth I want to see them change their attitudes and be held accountable for their actions. I like Sony hardware its usually good spec and good quality its just their attitude that suck balls. Think of it on a human level if a man wrongs you you want them to be held responsible for their actions right? If we didn't do that the man would have little incentive not to do more wrong in the future which also set and example for others not to mention you have been wronged and nothing has been done about it.

I havent followed the cases so cant say what I would like to see different but the main outcome I would like would be for those directly affected to be compensated and for Sony not to be allowed to do what they want without consequence as they are being now. You speak of PSN as an option which is technically correct (even if its a main selling feature of the system) but you also have to agree to the terms if you want to play newer games on OFW without agreeing to the terms and conditions set out in the firmware upgrade so in the same way as with other OS they give you the choice of never playing new games and keeping your right or accept the new terms in that sense they have you over a barrel.

[hello345]

@Cut_Glass I guess that you mean articles like this?

http://www.develop-online.net/news/3...security-flaws

These articles are worded wrong. Sony said that the PSN hackers used a known vulnerability (known as in not being a completely new vulnerability), but Sony didn't know that their servers had this vulnerability.



If they wanted trying to save face, wouldn't it be better to tell it the same day as they knew about the hack? I don't see how waiting 6 days is an attempt to save face (unless i'm misunderstand something you mean?).

I agree that it wouldn't hurt to know earlier, but would it make a much difference though? Speaking of hacks in general, lets say that we get to know that opersonal info might be leaked, what action could be do after 1-2 days instead of after 6 days?


Sure, if someone does wrong actions deliberately, they need to be held accountable, i agree to that. But what actions are you referring to that Sony need to be held accountable for?


Those who were affected by the PSN hack were already compensated. Everyone who wanted could sign up for one year of ID protection and Sony would pay for it. No one was so affected by the PSN hack that they need tons of money to correct the damage that happened to them (if any damage at all).


Regarding PSN, yeah, i just ment to say that if someone is so against the rules of PSN, they have the option not to use it As with most electronic products, if you don't agree to the terms, you can't use it or the usage will be a lot more limited. Many of these terms do not hold up in court either (this depends on from country to country however).

[GregoryRasputin]

You know @hello345 everytime i see one of your Sony dick riding posts on this thread i feel physically sick and i mean that everytime i click on this thread to read it, i have to force myself to not throw the f*ck up at the utter Sony fanboy crap you are spouting >.<
And btw im not saying that to be offensive, im saying as a hope you will think of my stomach before posting any more of your junk posts...

[hello345]

@GregoryRasputin I fully respect that you disagree with my posts and opinion, but the way you worded that statement, i don't think it is possible for anyone in the world to not understand that as being offencive. I'd appreciate it more if you'd send me a PM instead if you absolutely felt the need to tell me what you just wrote.

I really respected you because i checked out the PS3 history website you made. You wrote this is a really objective way, i also complimented you on Twitter for this a long time ago. Since you wrote this in an objective way, i thought you were ok with different opinion. But seeing what you wrote now, i got another image of you That is a pity.

I feel that i argued/discussed peacefully without attacking other people's opinion. I'm not going to change my opinions because someone disagrees with me, sorry.

But if my opinions make you feel so sick, i guess it is best that i leave PS3Hax. This is not ment as "poor me", it is just that i don't have much to offer if my opinions are valued so little here. I dont' have much motivation to continue to post then. That is just how i feel.

[GregoryRasputin]

Originally Posted by hello345 But if my opinions make you feel so sick, i guess it is best that i leave PS3Hax.

Im all for different opinions, i enjoy them and i only spoke of your comments on this thread and not your comments on any other thread and its only the bits like this:

Do you have any source to where Sony said they knew about the vulnerability, but did nothing about it? I mean an official statement from Sony. This is new to me, so i'd like to read more about it

Now that hit me in the face, like a sledgehammer to a pumpkin made out of soft butter that had half melted, you seriously think Sony would admit to knowing that they knew about the vulnerabilities, we warned them on PS3HaX, people like @madshaun1984 warned them via his writings/posts on this forum, PS3 Scene developers warned them many times about these vulnerabilities and they chose to ignore.

So no you will never find an official announcement from Sony and that is what i found sickening, its the same kind of things the Sony fanboys say over at the official forums,


Now as far as you leaving PS3HaX because of what i said, well that is a bit on the extreme side, i express my opinions the way i do, not everyone is going to like what i say and i don't expect them to, but to get upset over anything i say is a bit crazy >.<

[hello345]

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin Im all for different opinions, i enjoy them and i only spoke of your comments on this thread and not your comments on any other thread and its only the bits like this: Now that hit me in the face, like a sledgehammer to a pumpkin made out of soft butter that had half melted, you seriously think Sony would admit to knowing that they knew about the vulnerabilities, we warned them on PS3HaX, people like @madshaun1984 warned them via his writings/posts on this forum, PS3 Scene developers warned them many times about these vulnerabilities and they chose to ignore. So no you will never find an official announcement from Sony and that is what i found sickening, its the same kind of things the Sony fanboys say over at the official forums,

I actually edited my post on this before i saw your reply (see my previous post to see my edit). Cut_Glass did claim that Sony did admit it, that is why i asked for source on it. I don't see any problem to ask for source to claims that are made? It was an honest question i asked earlier, i didn't mean it like anything else, just a straight forward question to what he claimed because i havn't heard about it before.

I see what you mean, but that is unfortunately sometimes the problem with writing. When things are written, it can be hard to see what tone the question is in. Sometimes maybe it looks like a question is very "rude" (i don't know a better english word for it), while it is actually just ment to be a normal and honest question.

(On the topic of the PSN hack, what vulnerability was used? I have missed the info around this).

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin Now as far as you leaving PS3HaX because of what i said, well that is a bit on the extreme side, i express my opinions the way i do, not everyone is going to like what i say and i don't expect them to, but to get upset over anything i say is a bit crazy >.<

No no, it was not just because of that one comment. I didn't mean it as "poor me" either just to mention that. The reason why i wanted to leave is this:

If i continue to discuss, i will have the same opinions. If i then get messages like the one you wrote simply because i have my opinion, then i feel dismotivated to continue posting here.

I don't mind at all that you disagree with me, but it is not nice to hear that my opinions that i write in a friendly way makes you feel so sick. The only thing that is really achieved with writing stuff like that is that the person you write it to gets sad or angry, it doesn't accomplish much else in my opinion. You could have written something in a more neutral tone and gotten the exact same point across. This makes me lose motivation to discuss more because i don't want to get more comments like that. I also get the feeling that i don't have much to offer on this forum if i get replies like that. This is just how my honest feelings are on this situation.

That is why i wanted to leave. Do you see my feelings/reasoning around this?

EDIT: I clearified a bit better regarding why i wanted to leave.