[Cut_Glass]

@hello345 if you think they didnt know about the vulnerability then you are fooling yourself perhaps I was reading between the lines, they say it was a know vulnerability but they didnt know about it. Thats inexcusable and unbelievable literally especially as if I recall they were informed by a third parties about it...

“The vulnerability was a known vulnerability, one known of in the world. But Sony was not aware of it... was not convinced of it,” was actually a quote from an interview not an oficial statement my mistake.

They were trying to save face by not admitting to the possibility of lost information untill they confirmed it so they could avoid it if possible which is irresponcible and speaks of placing themselves over consumers personal info.


Anyway thats all I have to say about it each person needs to make up their own mind.

[hello345]

@Cut_Glass I have no idea to be honest. I think it sounds weird if they truly knew about that their system was vulnerable to this, and they didn't do anything about it. But i can't know for sure. However, if it was a known vulnerability in the software that they were using, and there was a patch available for this, then Sony should be more up to speed to update of course. And it is a big pity if they were informed about it, but didn't do anything about it.

No worries The reason why i asked about a source was only because i hadn't seen any official statement on it, so i was curious if maybe i missed something.

I see what you mean. Generally speaking about hacks like this, it can be worse if they go out premature and said that info might have been stolen, but then later found out that this wasn't the case afterall. Then maybe someone had already canceled their creditcards without needing to. Then there is the other way around too of course, if they are waiting with giving out the info, then the hackers can have a longer time to abuse the info that they got from the hack. I'm not sure what is the best way. Maybe the best way is to inform early and say emphasise the word 'might'. This way people decide for themself if they will take actions of canceling creditcards etc..

[Ada Love Lace]

Originally Posted by Cut_Glass @Ada Love Lace I dont give a **** what is trendy I dislike Sony for their behaviour and attitude towards its customers regardless of what year it is. $175M is less than 0.25% of Sony's annual revenue from this year...

For this 0.25%, can you tell more about it?thank you.

For attitude toward customers, it s really up to anyone , a breaking deal for one (such removing OS) will not be important for other. I can t really judge this part but lot of infos were not correct (to don t said fake) about what Sony really did against customers, and it s common for such giant company to do such things.

[Cut_Glass]

@Ada Love Lace Yes Sony's revenue for this fiscal year was $78-79 billion.

(175,000,000/78,000,000,000) X 100 = 0.224%

To make that live if your salary war $40,000 per annum then its like losing $100, irritating but not life changing.

Yes its common for large corps to do but that makes it no less acceptable, thats how I feel

@hello345 I think its always better to be safe than sorry so yes its better to cancel your cards to later find out there was no need to than the other way round...

[hello345]

@Cut_Glass Even with the big revenue, Sony still lost a lot of money because their expences are more than their income. The $170 million dollar was not their only expences for that year.

To take a hypothetical example, it doesn't matter much if someone makes 1 billion dollar a year if they had to use 1.5 billion dollars to achieve that income. The final result will be that they lost money overall, and that is the situation Sony is in right now.

Sony spends more money than they make. And when they have to spend $170 million extra that they didn't plan on, this will affect their budget. I'm sure that they will manage even with having to spend $170 million dollar extra, but when their total net income is currently nothing, getting more expences is something that they really want to avoid.


About the creditcard, i agree with that. I guess it depends on what bank you have as well. In my bank, i'm 100% protected against creditcard fraud. It doesn't cost me anything extra. So if someone should steal my card and take all my money, i'm not worried because i'm covered by my bank. VISA also have protection against scams (i've been scammed on Ebay twice (i bought and payed for something that i never recieved) and i got full refund directly from VISA both times Naturally i don't want to get my creditcard to be abused, but i'm glad that i don't have to worry about losing money at least.

[Ada Love Lace]

Originally Posted by Cut_Glass @Ada Love Lace Yes Sony's revenue for this fiscal year was $78-79 billion. (175,000,000/78,000,000,000) X 100 = 0.224% To make that live if your salary war $40,000 per annum then its like losing $100, irritating but not life changing. Yes its common for large corps to do but that makes it no less acceptable, thats how I feel @hello345 I think its always better to be safe than sorry so yes its better to cancel your cards to later find out there was no need to than the other way round...

About the number i was more asking link because i was lazy but anyway i checked and you are correct. Also @hello345 explained well the difference between Revenue and Net Income.

One thing i might add is to evaluate the lost from PSN hacking because this can be really different according to the company doing it. It s like insurance company to evaluate the damage after fire or other accident, can be much different according to each company. Or it s like asking repair your car, you better ask 2 or 3 different company.

For the PSN hack, i don t have read details for this evaluation but the company who did can be "friendly" with Sony (it s common such enterprise do have links between each of them, and Sony is also bank/insurance company)
Anyway, even in some case it s better to make it bigger than it was really
( if you expect something back, like avoiding tax or for you after your home was stolen you can pretend other stuff was also)
it s better to make it little as possible for your public image, trust among customers/banks etc...and avoid to be on newspaper for such thing.

So to belittle this incident, there are a lot of way, you blame global market when in fact your PS VITA suffer from this lack of trust. Sony has overpriced products because until recently it was seeing as top brand quality (but Sansumg products are now probably seen as equal but cheaper irrc, ). It s really important for them to keep this trust and high tech (impossible to hack/ secure etc..) product otherwise they ll have to change theirs prices.

Anyway, it s bad example written in bad English but most likely Sony has minimize this PSN hack cost to the strictly operational fee to repair it (Sony also loose contract related to bank/insurance because of this and may be also credit card online service for PSN)

I ll try to stop speaking, it s really nice topic for me but i wanted to correct one thing about "fake infos against Sony": i was refer to some ps3 famous users (one woke up at night, forgot it was spoofed, claimed after Sony was doing mandatory update FW for him, fews others telling to receive C&D letter when the only thing they receive was polite letter to refuse theirs offer for job, one other having blog and posting daily rant against sony ps vita because same story, it was not accepted for the job when he went at the same place for his alien card, and list goes on...)
So with so much wrong infos, we tend to think Sony is the evil of evil (and forgot the right users who really suffer from them and being sued) when Sony is just one giant among other Enterprise (but not the worst on video game for end users)
I don t take Sony bad (or good ...may be) when i look into ps3 hack scene or my Sony products, it s more hack time to enjoy than felling really bad against them (because my character, i like dramas but no too serious or bad)

[hello345]

@Ada Love Lace A good post, i agree

[Ada Love Lace]

thanks you @hello345 ,
well, in fact it should not matter when we are into hack scene either Sony is good or bad with users and we should deal with what they do in cold way. It s same with piracy, it should not be important or even mentioned what someone you never meet ll do or not with his own ps3 (it s not your business) , online cheat etc.. but it s hard to resist to comment since it s trigger some feeling/value.

For that aspect with Sony i might be too much blind as i admit to have some crush with theirs product but i prefer that than having something from brand name i don t like (it s more reasonable to spend time in hacking/using one product you like and the company who produced it than being drive by dislike, even such feeling should not interfere, it s not like you need to like the artist for appreciate the music)

[hello345]

@Ada Love Lace Yeah, the discussions often start because people have different opinions about something. People have different opinions



@GregoryRasputin I just want tomention a small thing regarding the previous discussion. I can see why you got pissed. The reason why i asked the question in that way i did was because i wanted to avoid forum posts or rumors to be posted. There were afterall a few rumors/speculations around the PSN hack (which could be true, but i don't know if it was confirmed). The claim that was made earlier by Cut Glass was that Sony did mention it officially, so i wanted to ask for source to that. I have to be honest and say that i feel it was very unfair to get such a strong respond towards me only because i asked for a source in the way i did. But again, i can see your point of view regarding being a bit pissed about it.

But the main reason why i bring this up again is because i just wanted to make sure that the previous discussion didn't end in a bad way. I don't mind at all to discuss, but i always want to make sure that i'm friends with the person afterwards. I don't want the situation to lead to fighting and such things, especially over discussions that are about relatively small things. So i just wanted to ask and make sure that there is no problem and everything is cool after the previous discussion I've been thinking about this for a few days, so i just had to mention it now.

[GregoryRasputin]

Originally Posted by hello345 But the main reason why i bring this up again is because i just wanted to make sure that the previous discussion didn't end in a bad way. I don't mind at all to discuss, but i always want to make sure that i'm friends with the person afterwards. I don't want the situation to lead to fighting and such things, especially over discussions that are about relatively small things. So i just wanted to ask and make sure that there is no problem and everything is cool after the previous discussion I've been thinking about this for a few days, so i just had to mention it now.

I didn't think we ever fell out, we disagreed about something, but we didn't fall out. so don't worry about it, everything is cool.