[baargle]

Originally Posted by TizzyT I cannot comment, your words are on a level too low of an understanding intellectually, perhaps read a book or two and come back when you actually state facts instead of your ridiculous assumptions that you worded in such a way that would make people think was true. End of discussion!

I think your post proves my point to a TEE.
So in effect, what you are saying is, that I'm an idiot for not understanding an idea that you haven't even explained. That I couldn't possibly understand the basics of social engineering or basic reasons for doing or not doing something?

...Yet, somehow I'm capable of deliberately socially engineering my post to sound like I'm "right". I think you'll find it's called targeting your audience, are you above that? Do you have children? Are they too stupid for you to engage with?

I'm all ears if you know something I don't. We're all entitled to an opinion after all. It's just you seem to think yours is somehow better and that I couldn't possibly understand...

However...I'm not the only person reading this thread, so you have an audience. If I'm deliberately wording my post to twist and sound right...

What is the real situation? You're much more intelligent than me so you shouldn't have a problem twisting the words to make you sound right either?
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Originally Posted by mrc1978 If the dev's do not get paid for their work, then why the hell would they be at fault? They have the skills, do it because they can, as AsSiTcH said, they owe nothing to us. True blue and the likes charge for work they never did...man you need to see the light.

I'm not referring to all PS3 devs in general. This is all within the context of the "keys" and being sold to TB. It would however seem that quite a few more people knew about these keys having been sold to TB than we originally thought.

I'm not annoyed that they sold the keys to a company at all, I'm annoyed at the deception, the "holier than thou" attitude and the righteous image they have held.

I don't know how many of "they" there are, but it would seem it was more than a few.

I just don't like people acting like a-holes. and that is where my comments come from, a genuinely righteous place. Business is business but withholding something that if you were to share with others - you would lose nothing - I hold nothing but contempt and disgust at behaviour like that.

I'm sure most normal "nice" people would too.

If you're a money grabbing swine - Fine be honest about it.
If your a nasty git that likes to deprive people of something that would cost you nothing in effort or material - Fine be honest about it.

[Zeruth]

Man you need to understand what I said. I thank the drms ONLY for pushing the devs to release a key that should have been public from it's discovery.

If you want to work on your own **** thats cool. But why would you share it with anyone at all unless you intend to release it. They pretty much asked for this to be leaked. And then to get butthurt and leave a scene with which you were withholding information? I miss them already, what was their names??

Look I appreciate most of the devs. but done hold onto their information just to be spiteful. And it sets the scene back by months.

Sure you guys dont owe us anything, but if you have such useful knowledge, and are a member of a ps3 hacking community, why the **** wouldn't you? Especially if sony can't patch it.

[baargle]

Originally Posted by mrc1978 If the dev's do not get paid for their work, then why the hell would they be at fault? They have the skills, do it because they can, as AsSiTcH said, they owe nothing to us. True blue and the likes charge for work they never did...man you need to see the light.

...Instead of reading all of that rant I typed.

Just think about ETHICS
Does someone have to be "owed" to do flick a switch that would help them?
Would you click a switch that could make someone happy?
Or would you purposefully not click it because once you've clicked it, you would no longer be needed?

...Not very nice is it really.

[Zeruth]

I agree with baargle 100%.

[Cheesethief]

@baargle :
The truth is, and I have heard this many a time, that the devs you are so eager to protector, were actually working with TB. The TB Team were PS3 scene devs. They did not "sell" keys to anyone, they just contacted some manufacturer in China to make dongles. End of discussion.

There is nothing more to it. There was no selling involved, except of dongles to the mindless.

[Zeruth]

Lol TizzyT, way to prove a point on how egotistical devs are becoming.

"your words are on a level too low"

You dont owe us anything. Well you also don't have to be a prick, and you also dont have to come back here ever again. But I understand, it's hard to overcome a god complex

[baargle]

Originally Posted by Cheesethief @baargle : The truth is, and I have heard this many a time, that the devs you are so eager to protector, were actually working with TB. The TB Team were PS3 scene devs. They did not "sell" keys to anyone, they just contacted some manufacturer in China to make dongles. End of discussion. There is nothing more to it. There was no selling involved, except of dongles to the mindless.

I wasn't aware of this, thanks for taking the time to post.

[snideysnake]

Originally Posted by AsSiTcH The Devs owe the community NOTHING.

Then what is the point in being in the scene in the first place? It's retarded idiocy like this that warrants a punch in the face.

I will also add that if the developers aren't going to share their findings or are not going to contribute to the scene in a beneficial way and ARE going to act like a bunch of twenty-something white trash loser kiddies, then they SURELY deserve to be bullied to the suicide-contemplating extreme.

[AsSiTcH]

Originally Posted by snideysnake Then what is the point in being in the scene in the first place? It's retarded idiocy like this that warrants a punch in the face. I will also add that if the developers aren't going to share their findings or are not going to contribute to the scene in a beneficial way and ARE going to act like a bunch of twenty-something white trash loser kiddies, then they SURELY deserve to be bullied to the suicide-contemplating extreme.

"a punch in the face"

bring it

[snideysnake]

Originally Posted by AsSiTcH "a punch in the face" bring it

Okay then vaginaitch!