[Inaudax]

Originally Posted by pereb27 You do realize that all consoles' IDPS are stored on Sony servers, right? If you modify the IDPS, it will then become invalid to those servers. They're easily going to notice if you changed it to run DEX, unless you can get the IDPS from a real devkit with the same motherboard, which I don't see happening...

Um, what? That still doesn't change anything at all.

Sony doesn't even have information saved on thier servers in REAL TIME whether or not you are authorised to install a certain firmware, e.g. debug. Why would they do that in real time? Do you know where a debug firmware comes from? It was leaked from an AUTHORISED individual, store or a game company. So, how could Sony tell the difference if those authorised that were responsible for the leaks don't even notify Sony about it?

The same thing applies to when a person sells an actual TEST PS3 console. That doesn't even prove to Sony that you are unauthorised to use that PS3 too. Plus, there are many legal ways to change a PS3's firmware for legal purposes, such as repair but doing so may void the warranty and that's about it. Sony cannot simply ban consoles based on the fact that they are on an questionable firmware just because its ID and model differ. That'd be too silly, resourceful and impractical of Sony to implement such a banning system.

The most important part of Sony's warning is that they actually care more about piracy and online cheating. They don't ban you for using a CFW or debug firmware (for many reasons) simply put. They want to ban you simply because you are using pirated games or abuse online cheats with the help of a CFW. Sony focuses on that aspect only.

Also, why didn't you reply to my second post regarding online cheating, huh?

[djenkov]

Originally Posted by ZOMBIEKILLAH ...I am a man ,not a kid so i supported them scum plenty ,in my time ..PS3 will be the last for me .Especially after i see how they treat the ps3 scene .I will not but a ps4 & support them ..I have plenty of toys to keep me busy till i die...

I didn't read your whole post, but from the first few sentences I assume that you are from the minority.I myself have like 30-35 games of which I pirated only 1.Still,millions of people managed to pirate 100+ games. Even when you install the cfw its written that you take a risk.
Still, the try<>buy would be a nice touch.

Edit: I am not trying to impose anything.Our opinions may differ.

[potlick]

"Today(Nov,13th) SCEJ posted an announcement regarding recent PSN access from CFW users, warning that consumers must immediately cease using and delete all unauthorized or pirated software from their PS3 or face the risk of having their access to PSN permanently terminated and their warranty voided"

lol dosent your warranty void after a certain period after purchases? like a 30 day warranty. wow treating people like we are brain dead idiots.

whatever . dam retards ==> PHONY . WiiU is out soon. ima toss my piece a shyt 3 n play WiiU. PSN sucks anyways. laggy ass servers. PS+ = rent certain games online, when you stop PS+ bye bye those rental games.

[pereb27]

Originally Posted by Inaudax Um, what? That still doesn't change anything at all. Sony doesn't even have information saved on thier servers in REAL TIME whether or not you are authorised to install a certain firmware, e.g. debug. Why would they do that in real time? Do you know where a debug firmware comes from? It was leaked from an AUTHORISED individual, store or a game company. So, how could Sony tell the difference if those authorised that were responsible for the leaks don't even notify Sony about it? The same thing applies to when a person sells an actual TEST PS3 console. That doesn't even prove to Sony that you are unauthorised to use that PS3 too. Plus, there are many legal ways to change a PS3's firmware for legal purposes, such as repair but doing so may void the warranty and that's about it. Sony cannot simply ban consoles based on the fact that they are on an questionable firmware just because its ID and model differ. That'd be too silly, resourceful and impractical of Sony to implement such a banning system. The most important part of Sony's warning is that they actually care more about piracy and online cheating. They don't ban you for using a CFW or debug firmware (for many reasons) simply put. They want to ban you simply because you are using pirated games or abuse online cheats with the help of a CFW. Sony focuses on that aspect only. Also, why didn't you reply to my second post regarding online cheating, huh?

What's unauthorized is the SOFTWARE, not the user, so in that case the CEX>DEX converter kit. Obviously the debug firmware is not "unauthorized", it's the tool that makes your PS3 able to install said firmware without Sony's consent that is.
And when you try to go online, Sony does check your IDPS (how do you think they ban consoles otherwise?). If it's invalid (aka not on their list of all IDPS), or banned, you get denied. That said, you can just zerofill it (I wonder why they haven't fixed that yet, people were doing that in freaking 2010).

As for selling a debug PS3 console, as said already, that console didn't rely on unauthorized software, there's no real problem (though the new owner most likely won't be able to create a Devnet account). Besides it's not like there are thousands of debug systems being resold.

And lol @ Sony's warning. They'll never tell you in public that they don't want you to install "unauthorized software" mostly because they lose control over your system and yourself, obviously. Though they do obviously also care about online cheating and piracy. Online cheating ruins the fun to their legit users, who then might lose faith in Sony and stop buying Sony products.
That said, if I had to rank those 3 things from the most to least important to them, it would most likely be control > online cheating > piracy.

And I didn't bother answering to your game patch comment since you didn't bother to give a proper explanation as to why we would not be able to decrypt game patches even though all keys are already available to us.

[ramosxtreme]

STLcardsWS - Today, 10:56 AM Reply Originally Posted by Goku1992
@STLcardsWS
Well I agree with you stuff like Netflix and etc..etc have nothing to do with PSN so I don’t see why users can’t have access to those things. But for the most part CFW needs to be segregated for the PSN function only. Just like @Spade said if many users played their disc on CFW then the banning wouldn’t be an issue. Sony won’t really ban you for using CFW but Sony will definitely ban you for using a pirated game on their system. That’s my issue I mean that for the most part 95% of users DO pirate off the unit. I personally don’t care if people pirate or not that’s none of my business but I DO care if people want to play it with online. It’s not unfair to gamers who legally purchase their games. (Like me) Then gamers trash talk hackers for cheating and etc..etc.. Because for the little percent that actually do use the PS3 for homebrew there will always be a 95% gap of people who want to go online with the pirated game.

See the bold is where i disagree. That is an imaginary number pulled out and has no value. Honesty none of us know that exact number., So its unfair to speculate that number to everyone on CFW.

Playing a backup on the HDD doesnt mean either that the game is a pirated copy.
1.) People like fast loading times. HDD does that
4.)People like to save their Blu-Ray drives, CFW does that
3.) some people have a broken blu-ray CFW allows their PS3 to be of use.
4.) You cant control how someone gets a copy of the game. Even if its a legit disk does that mean it was obtain legitimately. It could be stolen from a retailer. A person, rented and never returned ect.... So no need to worry how the game is obtained.
What needs to be worried is if the game is being hacked/cheated where it makes the online experience useless and those users should be banned not ordinary CFW users. who respect the network


Put all that together and your 95% number is way off.

its a very small number who cheat as well. Most people have a life and care not to cheat in a online game. but there is a small number that do and i hope they get banned.

I copy this from an other site. I though it hit the nail on the head

[fanboysarestupid]

Originally Posted by ZOMBIEKILLAH Copyright laws are good for nothing.

I disagree. If the artist/musician/company owns the copyrights to X content it should not be spread around without their permission or rights.

[Theeze]

I'll repost my thoughts on this.

You'd think a banwave would get everyone and not on some selective pattern. It would be interesting to see how regular usage of the ps3 on cfw is going to be handled.

What I mean by that, loading games normally as if you're in ofw and not using the"backups" with multiman. It may be they can detect backups the way MS does with the xbox. A security sector does not get copied over and gets flagged.

The history wipe is another suspicious thing, Sony can get the hint each time they get logs from the same ps3 with nothing on the list. How about perform a history wipe with multiman, then use ps3 normally, netflix, gaming with the actual disc or browsing the store. At least when you turn on the ps3 the next time, it will send over legitimate looking logs.

Yes they can detect cfw, but it seems they're going after the immediate threats...(black ops 2 prestige cheaters and people who are dumb enough to play the leaked version on backup managers.)

[marty370]

Originally Posted by fanboysarestupid I disagree. If the artist/musician/company owns the copyrights to X content it should not be spread around without their permission or rights.

Exactly, and likewise Sony has copyright on hardware and Software(inc Firmware/dev tools)they have the rights to stop people from pirating/hacking/cheating online.

I mean without Sony the PS3 would'nt even exist, why would so call gamers not want the creator of the console/games to make any profit out of it's business.

Piracy is plain and simply killing the gaming industry, I buy my games and support devs creating good games for my PS3 console, others should do the same or the games will dry up.

[jdtamimi]

Originally Posted by fanboysarestupid I disagree. If the artist/musician/company owns the copyrights to X content it should not be spread around without their permission or rights.

What you are referring to is piracy. Yes, I do agree with you.

Originally Posted by marty370 Exactly, and likewise Sony has copyright on hardware and Software(inc Firmware/dev tools)they have the rights to stop people from pirating/hacking/cheating online. I mean without Sony the PS3 would'nt even exist, why would so call gamers not want the creator of the console/games to make any profit out of it's business. Piracy is plain and simply killing the gaming industry, I buy my games and support devs creating good games for my PS3 console, others should do the same or the games will dry up.

In other words, you are saying I can't do what I want with my, paid with money that I work hard for and now I legally own, hardware? I can't put rims on my car, tint my windows, paint my car a different color, or install a turbo to increase the horsepower on it?.. I'm not an advocate of pirating and online cheating, but I will modify, and hack any hardware I own to my hearts content and I bet a lot of people here feel the same way.

[SeanP2500]

The modification of my ps3 has made it a much more powerful device even without playing a single pirated copy of anything. So that aspect is definitely important to me. Especially in terms of trusted computing and the various security measures which have truly stripped our rights as owners of the device.

I would never have had some truly great game experiences if not for pirating in some cases copy of a game that never released in my region or did not have console etc but to be honest i am not sure if there is true provable revenue loss (would these people have bought 300games really??) additonally with all these inflated dollars lol or notes really how much should games be really honestly resale value is funny too