[hellsing9]

Originally Posted by baileyscream its not about "curbing noobs" its about finding a happy medium. the op has simply voiced his concern in that way due to the sheer number of pointless threads and posts. there pointless as there are allready threads created but the new user simply refuses to search or read. the same can be said about the posts. a dev releses a homebrew game and its "can this give me 4.** cfw" posts that are pointless. or its simply jumping on the bandwagon to join in with insulting someone / thing that then leads to a decent thread being put in the drama / bin section. if you read the posts in this thread you will see many ideas by ppl about how to resolve this issue in the best way possible. if you go over to xscene you will find you cannot create a thread untill you have alot of posts first also you have a very limited time to edit your post / threads before your locked out. you will find i have asked the question over there about removing this limitation but the mods and admins are happy with the way it is. have you gone over there and complained? i doubt it. but your willing to complain when ppl in this site are trying to find a solution in a better way? hmmm

More choices you give, more problematic the situation turns to be.
If you limit those options (and then somebody starts *****ing about censoring freedom of speech, etc) they won't complain because they can't.

Here they will complain because we don't have enough staff to cover all flanks or about anything.
They are free to do so but in order to make changes and i mean BIG changes, the community has to stay on solid grounds while being flexible at the same time and get along with the autorithy. (or try).
Which is not easy task to do.

Because not everybody thinks the same, acts the same way, etc.

So i don't know what's how to reach some *gray* area. Honestly.

[baileyscream]

Originally Posted by hellsing9 More choices you give, more problematic the situation turns to be. If you limit those options (and then somebody starts *****ing about censoring freedom of speech, etc) they won't complain because they can't. Here they will complain because there are not enough staff to cover all flanks or about anything. They are free to do so but in order to make changes and i mean BIG changes, the community has to stay on solid grounds while being flexible at the same time and get along with the autorithy. (or try). Which is not easy task to do. Because not everybody thinks the same, acts the same way, etc. So i don't know what's how to reach some *gray* area. Honestly.

yea i see where your comming from.
it is hard to keep peoples rights in tact while trying to keep some sort of order

how about giving some respected users a "sub mod" status
where they can move / merge threads
remove abusive / pointless posts
but they cannot ban / infract ppl?

kind of like a "middle man" mod. just to help the mods keep the site "clean"

its just a shame.
when i first started on forums. you didnt post just any crap as you would get told "this is a forum not a chat room"
any forum you went on you instantly felt the need to read and learn. the last thing you wanted to do was post on the site as you would feel like a fool if it was a stupid question.

but now its just
new user = same stupid question

[hellsing9]

Originally Posted by baileyscream yea i see where your comming from. it is hard to keep peoples rights in tact while trying to keep some sort of order how about giving some respected users a "sub mod" status where they can move / merge threads remove abusive / pointless posts but they cannot ban / infract ppl? kind of like a "middle man" mod. just to help the mods keep the site "clean" its just a shame. when i first started on forums. you didnt post just any crap as you would get told "this is a forum not a chat room" any forum you went on you instantly felt the need to read and learn. the last thing you wanted to do was post on the site as you would feel like a fool if it was a stupid question. but now its just new user = same stupid question

Not a bad idea (for me) what you are saying.
Problem with *middle man*:

1) How many users have enough time to that?.
2) Which criteria they will use to merge/delete/etc?.

Moderators and s-mods of staff were choosed by some ex-mods and currently moderators.
We measure time, effort and then we start to see how *certain* user moves, make his replys on help section or how is he with everyone.

I started as moderator on january of this year i think and some months later, @GregoryRasputin wanted someone on the news and told pirate if i could fill that area. I had no problem back and im not having it now either.
Last decision is from Pirate from add someone to staff or remove it according about the current ones (moderators, s-mods) think also.
But he is the one making that call.

On *middle man* pirate has to create another type of *rank* that the user is limited only to merge, delete, etc.
But like i said above we have many dedicated users on HAX (many!) problem is most of them maybe they don't like the idea to *minimod* because after all even if it's internet, it's a responsability to take.

If we go too far on this situation (for example) we will have at least 5 more *middle mans* ranks (some example) and moderators as well.
And that situation also can lead some other kind of problems.
Don't get me wrong im not seeing only the negative side of what you saying.

But it's not our call many users who got promoted, the community rejected that user until he has proven *worthy* the same will happen if a new rank is created.

[Pirate]

Keep in mind, not everyone has a first language of English...the way they are asking a question, or slammed in the face with an influx of information is very hard to process for a these types of newbies. And not to mention, they probably don't really understand online etiquette and didn't really intend to be rude.

The other problem is probably more than half of the members here are around 13-16, and not matured yet...it would be an impossible task to try to regulate all of them.

The only option I see is a post upvote and downvote system, where too many downvotes would auto-hide the post...but I can see this getting abused very easily and hurt more people than punish the small amount causing problems.

Truth be told this is the caveat to having a "bigger" site, the smaller core of Hax members here become overran by "new blood", and that warm, fuzzy community that used to be is diluted with everyone else trying to be a part of it. PS3Hax is a much different place now than it used to be a while back.

[kiwitothemax]

Originally Posted by Pirate Keep in mind, not everyone has a first language of English...the way they are asking a question, or slammed in the face with an influx of information is very hard to process for a these types of newbies. And not to mention, they probably don't really understand online etiquette and didn't really intend to be rude. The other problem is probably more than half of the members here are around 13-16, and not matured yet...it would be an impossible task to try to regulate all of them. The only option I see is a post upvote and downvote system, where too many downvotes would auto-hide the post...but I can see this getting abused very easily and hurt more people than punish the small amount causing problems. Truth be told this is the caveat to having a "bigger" site, the smaller core of Hax members here become overran by "new blood", and that warm, fuzzy community that used to be is diluted with everyone else trying to be a part of it. PS3Hax is a much different place now than it used to be a while back.

Up votes and down votes would be great. Why not set a limit like ten down votes and the message is hidden, but still able to be seen upon clicking. Just an idea

[falloutsux]

I WAS ON PS3HAX BEFORE IT WAS COOL

[hellsing9]

Originally Posted by Pirate Keep in mind, not everyone has a first language of English...the way they are asking a question, or slammed in the face with an influx of information is very hard to process for a these types of newbies. And not to mention, they probably don't really understand online etiquette and didn't really intend to be rude. The other problem is probably more than half of the members here are around 13-16, and not matured yet...it would be an impossible task to try to regulate all of them. The only option I see is a post upvote and downvote system, where too many downvotes would auto-hide the post...but I can see this getting abused very easily and hurt more people than punish the small amount causing problems. Truth be told this is the caveat to having a "bigger" site, the smaller core of Hax members here become overran by "new blood", and that warm, fuzzy community that used to be is diluted with everyone else trying to be a part of it. PS3Hax is a much different place now than it used to be a while back.

That's small core is still *alive and breathing* (so to speak) but like you said in order to HAX get bigger with some *sacrifices*.
I was a lurker on 2009, i only read the news and decided to register on 2011.

Things changed indeed but all kind of community has evolutions, *involutions* and many other factors that makes it interesting.

But Hax is the only one that i see that keeps info *RAW* and that's what i like from this place.

I don't mind the n00bs since i don't find insulting that term but situations often get messy when some new user even speaking fluent english demands something instead of asking for it polite.

It's about respect, nothing more nothing less.

1) Infractions = Nobody is *scared* about them.

So if we cannot control this new influx of members, we need some more drastic decisions. (it's what i think).
If some user that registered this month do not care about staff or don't have respect towards senior members.

We have to use infractions as mods but like i said infractions means nothing to this new *breed* of users.

The vote idea..idk really.
But it's interesting.

Regards, boss.

[SublimESmoker420]

Iight Bett.

[BobbyBlunt]

we tried the downvote system before.... it is a horrible idea.

[fanboysarestupid]

Originally Posted by CaptainCPS-X - User becomes a troll, and start writing non-related content in threads to purposely create a mess around.

What about those who curse users by calling 'retards' are those users trolls?

Now, now, I didn't list any names whatsoever, a simple question.

Btw, up/down votes is ridiculous, don't try to make this FaceBook or whatever. Good thing Adblock Element Hider can hide useless stuff such as up/down votes and much more.