[tenoob]

Originally Posted by cantlive4ever I think what is also being overlooked here is the fact that if we remove the gun related homicides from the U.S. crime statistics, we still would have a rate of 1.9 per 100k. That is still higher than the U.K., Ireland, France, Poland and others. Do you honestly think that outlawing firearms would be the answer? Those that want to kill would still do it. It may not be as easy, but it surely would not be that difficult. Americans must be a naturally violent group to begin with. With that being said, although Americans have a a very high homicide and rape rate, the U.K. by far is higher in every other crime stat.

Americans aren't naturally violent, at all.

I know the numbers and history say otherwise, but there is something behind all of this (at least in today's America I can't speak for the past).

Psychological problems, ethnic disputes, organized crime, failing job economy,
lack of government help, infiltrated government (America's mega corps are running the show in the background), failed policies (which cost us billions).

Rome has fallen my friends, nothing short of WW3 will make this obvious to American's themselves though.

America has a ton of problems, and none of them are being address properly.

Quite frankly people are losing their minds, and tolerance is at an all time low.

[BobbyBangin]

I was shot in 1997. It wasn't fun. But I'm not paranoid over it and I don't think millions of responsible peoples gun rights should be taken away because of the senseless act of one. My only regret about this school shooting incident is that the guy killed himself. He didn't deserve an easy out. He deserved to be castrated and skinned alive and then dipped in a pool of acid. Yeah...

[KillerBug]

Originally Posted by crazelunatic Throughout this thread i've advocated for across the board ceasing of ammunition production for guns and yes this includes government agencies and the civil sector being prohibited from purchasing ammo for their guns.

In theory that would be great...but do you really think that governments would give up their guns (giving up bullets would be the same thing)? Sure, drones and missiles are great at killing innocent women and children, but when you need a slave population, you can't just kill everyone...you need soldiers with guns to go door to door.

Originally Posted by crazelunatic Youve answered your own question.... Because m60s have permits that are difficult to obtain how often have you seen them used in mass murders?

M60's are not ideal guns for a mass murder because they are extremely big and obvious...just getting one from the point of purchase to home is a big problem. Plus, they are very expensive even without the black market markup. As for smaller automatics (that are just as illegal) they are used for lots of murders...just not so much for mass murders.

Originally Posted by crazelunatic But lets say they did obtain the weapon illegally.... If caught thats an extra charge prosecutors would hit them with instead of some1 who went on a rampage legally.

These rampages are a relatively small percentage of the gun killings, which are themselves as small part of the murders. I'm not saying they are good or anything, but if we want to stop mass murder, you need to address the conditions that are creating the murderers, not just the method they currently use. The biggest (non government) mass murder of the last 20 years used carpet knives, the second biggest used fertilizer and diesel fuel.

Originally Posted by japsander it takes a little intelligence to make a bomb, any retard can fire a gun guns are too convenient.

It really doesn't take much intelligence to make a bomb...if someone is willing to die in a spree, they have enough ambition to spend a few minutes on google. Heck, even with a concealed carry permit it would be easier for me to build a bomb than to work the hours to buy a gun that was actually capable of doing half the damage.

Originally Posted by crazelunatic Guns dont kill people, people kill people this is true but guns sure as hell make it a helluva alot easier

Do you really think people kill because it is easy???

Originally Posted by tenoob Americans aren't naturally violent, at all. I know the numbers and history say otherwise, but there is something behind all of this (at least in today's America I can't speak for the past). Psychological problems, ethnic disputes, organized crime, failing job economy, lack of government help, infiltrated government (America's mega corps are running the show in the background), failed policies (which cost us billions). Rome has fallen my friends, nothing short of WW3 will make this obvious to American's themselves though. America has a ton of problems, and none of them are being address properly. Quite frankly people are losing their minds, and tolerance is at an all time low.

Not to mention the somewhat questionable circumstances...All of these mass shootings right in the wake of fast and furious raise some serious questions...if they were willing to arm cartels to make the second amendment look bad, and (at least the coverup) goes all the way to the president, it isn't too far fetched to think that the sudden increase in mass murders is a bit more than suspicious. We know that the Aurora guy was under the care of a military physiatrist, and that his guns and ammunition were bought with government money from a student grant that was available to him as cash instead of being locked to tuition...if that much leaked out, who knows what they managed to keep secret.

[madman158]

I blame the people as a whole. Here is why.

A kid goes to school works hard. Another kid goes to school and bullys other kids. The school talks about how anti bully they are. Kids go tell they are being bullied. School tells bully dont do that then goes back out and bullys the kids as the school does nothing. Finally a kid has enough stands up and bust the bully in the nose. What happens??? The bully goes to school the next day the other kid is at home for the next week. The school says the parents should of raised their kids better.

Some one goes out and commits horrible crimes and gets caught. Goes to court and get minimal time for their crimes. People stand outside and protest its not their fault they where not raised right. The person gets out early cause the prisons are over crowed with pot dealers And commits more crimes. We tell yourself we are tough on crime.

Your kid does wrong. You pop your kid on the butt 3-5 times (not beat your kid but spank there is a difference). You end up in court for child abuse cause spanking a childs butt warps their brains (i must have been taught wrong in school cause i thought the brain was in the head not the butt). Next time your kid does wrong you put them on the couch for time out. The Next day DSS shows up at your door cause you did wrong. You did wrong you should of sent your kid to their room to play with there toys and watch tv. Cause taking away your kids right to play warps their brains. Your kid does wrong again. You end up in court and get told its your fault for not disciplining your kid.

Some one breaks in your house. You shoot them in the leg. You go to jail cause they have rights too. You get told what you should have done was leave your house and let them take what they want.

Some one breaks in your house. They fall and get hurt. They sue you and win cause they have rights too.

Now I blame us the people for this. Here is what i believe

1. The usa should have 3rd world punishments. You steal your hand gets cut off. You rare your prick gets cut off. You kill you get killed.

2. My house my rules. My kid does wrong i bust their tail if need be my judgment not yours. You break in my house you forfeit your rights.

3. Mind your own business. If you worried halve as much about your house as you do mine. Maybe just maybe your kids would not be drunken junkys that rape and kill people.

4. Here comes the flames of Hell. Raise your kids up around guns knives bows ect ect. Teach them how to use them and RESPECT them. You can kill some one with your hand too. You know the same thing all the things above need to work. Maybe at birth we should cut off all peoples haves then they cant kill. Wait you can think up new ways to kill then. I know cut out their brains that way they cant think. Not like they are thought how to use them anyway.

5. Realize your kids aint saint like you act like.

6. Learn the early warning signs of something being wrong with your kids.

7. Learn when your kids show early warning sign its not ok to act like everything is ok. Put your pride to the side and get your kid help. Maybe if your parents had done that you may not be as messed up as you are.

8. Its not always some else fault. The brain is a funny thing that can snap at anytime but most of the time it has early warning signs.
*** On a side note. If you read back at the Chris Benoit ordeal. You will read where his friend showed where he was sending weird texts to them days before it happen ( a early warning sign). Just no one person was smart enough to pick up on it or they did pick up and did nothing thinking it will be alright.***

9. Im not prefect and im not always right BUT its not cause im not trying and its not cause I think im better then anyone else. Like so many other people are. But i deal with our problems one problem at a time and try not to blame others cause I dont want to see my short comings.

READ THIS ITS THE SHORT OF WHAT I WANTED TO GET ACROSS

You cant punish your kids but you are wrong for not doing so. If you commit a crime it is ok they will go easy on you. If you do wrong its ok its some one else fault. Dont worry you and your family are perfect it cant happen to your family unless you are the victim and if you and your family are the ones to do it its still ok cause you are still the victim. Thats what is wrong with the way we think.

The ONLY way to stop people from killing is to kill off the human race every last one of us.

P.S. Just to troll alittle. Do you think that shooting would have happen if every one in the room had a gun and was trained how to use it? If yes. Do you think that many people would have died if every one had a gun and would of been trained to use it? If every thing was outlawed do you really think no one would had died?

[itskamel]

just from the looks of this thread i think we know now who owns guns and who doesn't.

[Annelies]

Originally Posted by itskamel just from the looks of this thread i think we know now who owns guns and who doesn't.

I think a large portion of America's gun owners are rednecks from the southern boonies.

I see sumethin' move, I shoot it!

[madman158]

Originally Posted by Annelies I think a large portion of America's gun owners are rednecks from the southern boonies. I see sumethin' move, I shoot it!

Maybe but the rest are tree huggers that will always be the victim.

*** I will not change what i said cause i do not believe in censorship or banning. I will apologize for what i said. Im sorry I posted this. It was out of anger and very poor taste. Im very sorry if it offended anyone. ***

[Bigbones87]

I typed in both "gun ban lowers murder" and "gun ban" and here are a few that pop up.
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/t/story?id=3083618&page=1
http://www.captainsjournal.com/2012/...ies-and-brits/
http://rense.com/politics6/britgun.htm
http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp
http://gunowners.org/sk0703.htm

[Annelies]

Originally Posted by madman158 Maybe but the rest are tree huggers that will always be the victim.

Or, maybe the rest are people that shouldn't have to feel the need to be armed to the teeth when going to school or going to work.

[Bigbones87]

This one is awesome. Love the sarcasm http://www.kc3.com/editorial/40reasons.htm
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Originally Posted by Annelies Or, maybe the rest are people that shouldn't have to feel the need to be armed to the teeth when going to school or going to work.

Because if we ban guns, then there would be no way for a crazed lunatic to obtain a firearm and shoot up your school or work. And when he does obtain one, he can carry out his crazed murdering with pretty good certainty that no one in these buildings will have a gun to stop him. That makes sense. Personally, when someone comes to shoot the mall up, and your there, and Someone with a gun blasts his ass , and saves your life, you will be glad they had tht gun won't you?