[garrettcorn]

Originally Posted by razblade77 let me quess where you got that from this time, www.ThereIsNoViolenceInTheUSA.com

haha
i googled it actually but i did try following your link

look i'm not trying to say there is no violence in the usa there is i understand but on average places where there are more guns per household in the us there is a lower crime rate.

[Wolfie708]

I'll try to answer you in bits

Originally Posted by garrettcorn not sure if you are all aware or not but UK violent crime rate is about 9% while USA violent crime rate is about 4.5% Yes, I'm aware, and ALL violent crime stinks regardless of location people are more afraid of performing violent crimes when they know the person they might be attacking may have a gun. No, people are more afraid if they do not have a gun of their own. Having a gun has the rather silly affect of making someone feel 'big and brave' people who want more gun control don't own guns most of the times so they are afraid of them because they have no way of protecting themselves against them. I think they should be banned across the board, not controlled, and no I do not own one, just as I do not own a crossbow either as they are both weapons designed to kill. ************* [ - Post Merged - ] ************* then what are you thinking? enlighten me please.. That anyone who needs to justify having a weapon (in this case a gun) is more than happy with the fact that they may someday take anothers life, and in MY personal opinion, anyone who thinks that way is bad for the species as a whole. many times you don't need a weapon to protect someone, but some people for example woman against a much stronger male in a rape situation need a weapon.. Again you use the word 'need'. If humans were not a sick twisted species all would be fine and dandy. It isn't though, but that does not mean I will ever support one twisted and sick act with another. definiton of a tool "A device or implement, esp. one held in the hand, used to carry out a particular function" how does a gun not fall under that definition right off of google? wise sir? Ooooooh, sarcasm, I like you I can either rely on Google as you did, or give you a better example as follow... I am a Man, I am of the Human species. A gun is a weapon, but can be used as a tool. I am still a Human regardless of gender, and a gun is still a weapon regardless of secondary use (or not) Now the nice Google bit for you, and please notice I used the word 'gun' and did not try to side-step it by using 'tool' lol.... gun /gən/ Noun A weapon incorporating a metal tube from which bullets, shells, or other missiles are propelled by explosive force, typically making a... Verb Shoot someone with a gun. I even highlighted the imprtant words for you HeeHee. You have your beliefs mate, and fair do's to that, but a gun is a weapon and it was, and is, that from inception to creation, though to eventual use.

[BobbyBangin]

Originally Posted by razblade77 really then show me, in anytime in history in the uk where 20 kids were stabbed to death or any kind of mass stabbings lol . f*cks sake knifes are million times better then guns. look I'm not saying gun control is the answer in USA, but 20 kids have just been shot are you Americans really going do nothing just like after all other mass shootings, for f*cks sake these are just kids,DO SOMETHING!!! you can start by closing down every dam gun shop in US.

Originally Posted by Wolfie708 No, actually the ignorant thing in all this is that a lot of people, you included it seems (and NO insult intended there), cannot grasp the subject content.

I still stand by my point. I've researched the statistics. A killing is a killing. It's easier to single out killings by guns in America. There's so many guns in the US that even if you took them away now it wouldn't make any difference. They would just become more deadly because only people engaged in criminal activity would have access to them. You would have to live here to understand. It's easy to sit at your computer and judge from overseas.

Check out the OKC World Trade bombing in 1995. Not one gun was used and more people were killed than this recent shooting.

I don't own a gun. I've been shot. I still don't think gun rights should be taken away.

You guys should also research the story more. This isn't about an American on a rampage. This kid was mentally ill. His mother was attempting to have him put in an institution. There is no way she should have allowed him to be anywhere near guns. She knew he was mentally unstable. In fact, he was unstable enough that he would have most likely acquired the guns illegally. If you take guns away these same crazy people will strap a bomb to their chest and walk into a crowded building. It's been done before.

[garrettcorn]

I will break it into smaller bits for you

not sure if you are all aware or not but UK violent crime rate is about 9% while USA violent crime rate is about 4.5% Yes, I'm aware, and ALL violent crime stinks regardless of location.. but you want less gun because you feel like they are the problem when clearly they aren't. people are more afraid of performing violent crimes when they know the person they might be attacking may have a gun. No, people are more afraid if they do not have a gun of their own. Having a gun has the rather silly affect of making someone feel 'big and brave'.. so your saying woman who live place were rape is high, so they carry a gun to protect themselves are doing it to feel 'big and brave'??? people who want more gun control don't own guns most of the times so they are afraid of them because they have no way of protecting themselves against them. I think they should be banned across the board, not controlled, and no I do not own one, just as I do not own a crossbow either as they are both weapons designed to kill. even if they are banned across the board criminals will still be able to get them, just like how drugs are everywhere so you point is void. also guns are used to kill other things then just humans, for example hunting. i also live in a place where there are a lot of rattle snakes and its nice having a gun to kill them.. ************* [ - Post Merged - ] ************* then what are you thinking? enlighten me please.. That anyone who needs to justify having a weapon (in this case a gun) is more than happy with the fact that they may someday take anothers life, and in MY personal opinion, anyone who thinks that way is bad for the species as a whole. i use guns for hunting and have no intention of using a gun for ever hurting another human being. thus making your point void. many times you don't need a weapon to protect someone, but some people for example woman against a much stronger male in a rape situation need a weapon.. Again you use the word 'need'. If humans were not a sick twisted species all would be fine and dandy. It isn't though, but that does not mean I will ever support one twisted and sick act with another. not like every gun owner in america buys a gun because they want to shoot someone, that is what you keep making it seem like. definiton of a tool "A device or implement, esp. one held in the hand, used to carry out a particular function" how does a gun not fall under that definition right off of google? wise sir? Ooooooh, sarcasm, I like you I can either rely on Google as you did, or give you a better example as follow... I am a Man, I am of the Human species. A gun is a weapon, but can be used as a tool. I am still a Human regardless of gender, and a gun is still a weapon regardless of secondary use (or not) Now the nice Google bit for you, and please notice I used the word 'gun' and did not try to side-step it by using 'tool' lol.... gun /gən/ Noun A weapon incorporating a metal tube from which bullets, shells, or other missiles are propelled by explosive force, typically making a... Verb Shoot someone with a gun. I even highlighted the imprtant words for you HeeHee. yet again the only verb you put is shooting someone with a gun.. guns are used for other things then shooting people until you realize that there is no point in trying to help educate you. and still that doesn't mean a gun isn't a tool, just because it is a weapon too, doesn't make it not a tool. You have your beliefs mate, and fair do's to that, but a gun is a weapon and it was, and is, that from inception to creation, though to eventual use. guns are used in multiple sports, and for hunting.. you again act like everyone who buys a gun has the intention to use it on another human being which is very wrong, narrow minded, and sad

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well guys i'm done trying to prove fact to your opinions, the facts are there if you open your eyes to see them you will understand.

[Wolfie708]

Originally Posted by garrettcorn I will break it into smaller bits for you

I won't do the whole sectioned reply again as you seem to have an innate need to twist answers which do not suit you, but just where do I say that guns are the main cause of deaths, or that everyone who has one has the intention of using it?

I didn't, and for your information, MY Google quote contained the results Google gave me, with Zero editing. Try it yourself and see.

I have said again and again that guns make it easier and they do, but I have NEVER said guns are the cause, or did you intentionally miss my references to humanity being sick and twisted?

Pointless really though isn't it as you will never stop believing that guns are perfectly ok will you?

Guns make it easier to kill someone, and that IS an empirical fact, but I am sure you will not believe that as of course, a knife is much easier to kill someone with isn't it?

[garrettcorn]

guns make it easier to kill someone totally agree, but statistically they lower violent crime = less deaths, so who cares if it makes it easier as long as less people are dying

and i'm sorry about the gun thing i googled gun not definition of gun earlier and wasn't sure where you were getting the verb from.

just google all the statistics bro i'm not trying to say guns are harmless, but where there are more guns there is less crime period, and less people getting hurt is a lot more important then if guns are dangerous




what is your reasoning why they should be banned?

[parminder_11]

Well If guns were removed altogether in the us, then there would be no need for anyone to protect themselves, as nobody would have guns. Makes sense, just like most countries have nuclear bombs, doesn't mean that they will use them. Its just a deterrent.

[garrettcorn]

Originally Posted by parminder_11 Well If guns were removed altogether in the us, then there would be no need for anyone to protect themselves, as nobody would have guns. Makes sense, just like most countries have nuclear bombs, doesn't mean that they will use them. Its just a deterrent.

that is such a lie if someone really wanted a gun and they were all banned, they could get a gun.. how would the government stop it if they can't stop drugs or illegal immigrants?

and people use guns who live in the country to protect themselves from various animals, and sport.

[hawkgv]

Originally Posted by razblade77 your wrong about gun control, look at the UK there is is hardly any gun crime at all. the guy shot that those kids was not a criminal he was just a normal guy and if guns were not available to him then all those kids would not have to die. if the the death of these innocent kids cannot change the view of the Americans and there fascination with guns and violence then they deserve there title as the most violent and barbaric country in the world.

If the US is so "most violent and barbaric country in the world." Then tell me why people from all over the world want to move here and get there citizenship here and work more then any other country hmm ? well its because its better opportunities and better living then other countries we are not suicide bombing or car bombing our cities we never had a mass genocide of our people so to say that the US is "the most violent and barbaric" is ridiculous. With these Opportunities comes money and possessions we value and that people will do anything to come into your home and take from you ether its your things or its a family member for ransom. And to say that Americans have such a "fascination with guns and violence" Well keep in mind when you say that cause its in multiple countries that all these games and movies that are violent that make it big on the market are because they are violent even in the UK cause i don't see them NOT playing COD, GTA or Saints Row etc. so the "Love for guns and violence" is EVERYWHERE not just the US.

Unfortunately we have extreme situations to where we have to protect ourselves from weather its from wild animals getting into live stock to gang members trying to rule the city we have a way to protect ourselves and not let that gang member come into your house and rape your wife and teenage kid in front of you while you cant do anything let alone have a fighting chance cause you cant arm yourself, I bet you would think different if it happen to you or someone close to you and you wish you could have prevented it. unfortunately with this type of protection some people don't educate there kids about guns and reality from fantasy. so to say that its "Americans" like its all of us that are like this is totally unfair cause we are not all bad its just because our news and our dirty laundry sticks out more then other countries.

[zelee]

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