[Cypherous]

Originally Posted by hawkgv Yeah your 90% Europeans say that then but if/when they get an opportunity to come and establish good work they would jump in a heart beat

Even if you had a great paying job i wouldn't even consider it, i'll take my gun free nation and free healthcare over anything america could even attempt to offer me :P

Hell there are many more places i would choose to live instead of the USA its not even funny, its on the bottom of most peoples lists as a place to live and tbh i'm not even sure i would want to go there on holiday either

And pretty much all the europeans i know feel the same, excluding ofc the few minorities that only moved out of their country to find work in the first place, and even then those aren't exactly the kind of workforce you would want, then again america is pretty much full of those

[hawkgv]

Happy Holidays everyone at PS3Hax

[MonkeyFeces]

Originally Posted by malex I can't say I'm one to agree with the idea that we should be walking around like this is the old west. The way I see it civilians have no business owning handguns, or concealable weapons... and just to be clear, I'm a huge fan of weaponry (more of a sword guy though). This country needs to stop being so damn hard headed about things. Ok so it does say in the bill of rights that we have the right to bear arms (just remembered a family guy joke on the matter LOL!), but times have changed and I think it's very non-progressive to hold on to old rules as we are doing. The focus should be on reducing the need for civilians to have guns, first off would be to make police forces more trust worthy. People there are countries out there that even police officers don't carry guns, not because their departments can't afford them, but because they don't need to... how ****ING cool would that be? Still I realize that's something I'll sadly not see happening here in the US, but at the very least they should stop selling damn assault rifles to civilians, and let's not even get into how they sell these weapons to these damn psychos; has the first thing on any of your minds been "Oh yeah, that dude looks like some crazy psycho" when seeing the pics of any of these imbeciles? As long as there are guns in the hands of civilians stupid idiots will do these things, first it should be to keep guns off the streets, you can't walk around with a pistol, revolver, rifle, shotgun, rpg, tomohawk missile or whatever else, you can have them home to defend yourself and fam, and eventually even having guns in homes should be reconsidered. Let's face it, as a country we are NOT smart enough to survive the Second Amendment for much longer.

You live in NJ. Have you been any other place in the country? The places with the crimes are those gun free zones. Hows the crime rates for NJ, NY, LA, SF?

The issue is mental issue. Dont try to blame it on tools. People are too retarded to drive cars. 30K+ deaths a year. Lets ban those?
Ive been to arizona and texas. Trust me people behave real well when they know if they try to do something stupid someone near by is packing.
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Originally Posted by MysticMonkey To all those that say stricter gun control won't stop criminals getting weapons. You're correct. But, show me which of these recent shootings were caused by black market guns ? most if not all were legally Pwnd by the shooter or someone in the shooters family. Fact. reducing the amount of guns in circulation legally and illegally will reduce your murder rates. Stricter gun controls, will reduce the availability of guns to the f'wits that cause mass harm. To all those that say it's my constitutional right.. get out of the dark ages. the gov't is not out to get you. The UN is there to protect your basic human rights - as you have seen recently in middle eastern countries. Fact everyone in a countries with strict gun controls think the US is crazy for the liberalization of mass killing machines !

Have you been to mexico? Pretty strict gun control there. Must be nice having 200 people murdered in just one morning in one city. Theres a black market for everything. People are giving more power to gangsters when you take things away from people. Yes, Cartels get some weapons from the US, but majority comes from over seas. You cant inspect each shipping container and boat that arrives.


LOL the UN. biggest joke. Have you been in a national disaster? The government sure does make a good job protecting its people
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[Karrade]

Originally Posted by razblade77 really then show me, in anytime in history in the uk where 20 kids were stabbed to death or any kind of mass stabbings lol . f*cks sake knifes are million times better then guns. look I'm not saying gun control is the answer in USA, but 20 kids have just been shot are you Americans really going do nothing just like after all other mass shootings, for f*cks sake these are just kids,DO SOMETHING!!! you can start by closing down every dam gun shop in US.

First: Happy Holidays!

Second: It happens without guns even the same number almost.

A knife-wielding man injured 22 children and one adult outside a primary school in central China as students were arriving for classes Friday, police said, the latest in a series of periodic rampage attacks at Chinese schools and kindergartens.

Third: Google This "25 Methods for Killing With Your Bare Hands" (Everyone get out the saw and cut your hands off they should be banned?!)

Arson, Stabbing Rampage in Seoul South Korea : 10/20/2008. 6 people dead, 5 from stabbing. 7 others wounded, 4 seriously. An angry man felt people “looked down on him.” Anti-police stabbing spree in Shanghai, China: 7/2008. 6 Police Officers stabbed to death, 4 wounded. 28 year old man angry at police attacked a police station with a knife. Akihabara Massacre, Chiyoda City, Tokyo, Japan: 6/8/2008. 7 people killed (3 struck by car, 4 by stabbing), many more injured. Man slammed into a crowd with his car, then jumped out and began stabbing people to death. 18 year old slashes 4 to death in Sitka, Alaska, US: 3/25/2008. 4 people killed. 18 year old (old enough to purchase a rifle over the counter) kills 4 people, related to him, with a 5 inch knife. Stabbing Spree kills 2, Tsuchiura, Japan: 3/23/2008. 2 killed, 7 wounded. Man “just wanted to kill anyone.” Stabbing spree wounds 41, 6 seriously in Berlin Train Station: 5/26/2006. 41 wounded, 6 seriously. Thankfully no one died in this attack, but not for lack of trying on the part of the drunk 16 year old. 4 killed in stabbing spree in London, UK: 9/2004. 4 killed, 2 wounded. Mentally ill man attacks mostly older people. 6 killed over Xbox dispute in Deltona, Florida, US: 8/6/2004. 6 killed. 4 men (all old enough to legally purchase firearms) bludgeon 6 people to death with baseball bats over purloined Xbox. Daegu subway fire, Daegu, South Korea: 2/18/2003. 198 killed, 147 injured. A 56 year old unemployed taxi driver, dissatisfied with his medical treatment, sets fire to a crowded train. Osaka School Massacre, Osaka Japan: 6/8/2001. 8 children dead, 13 other children and 2 teachers wounded. Committed by 37 year old former janitor armed with a kitchen knife.

On that note, i own several firearms and I firmly believe that every member in the household should have a psych evaluation before a firearm be brought into a home (lets face it locks cant stop everything). We in the U.S. need more strict regulations on legally obtaining firearms, and a person in any state who has a firearm unlocked in their home should be fined and or receive jail time (same as any endangerment charge).

And how in the h*** is gun safety classes not a regulation when buying a firearm?

[MysticMonkey]

Have you been to mexico? Pretty strict gun control there. Must be nice having 200 people murdered in just one morning in one city. Theres a black market for everything. People are giving more power to gangsters when you take things away from people. Yes, Cartels get some weapons from the US, but majority comes from over seas. You cant inspect each shipping container and boat that arrives.


LOL the UN. biggest joke. Have you been in a national disaster? The government sure does make a good job protecting its people
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Mexico is obviously a corrupted environment. All it takes is one man with a dream to start a change.

[malex]

Originally Posted by MonkeyFeces ....The issue is mental issue. Dont try to blame it on tools.

Oh I never wanted to imply that the tools are to blame, in the end it's people pulling the trigger, BUT, maybe if those willing to pull triggers couldn't get guns as easily as they can things might be different.

People are too retarded to drive cars. 30K+ deaths a year. Lets ban those?...

Because guns are as necessary as cars? To be honest, if driving privileges were handled better maybe we wouldn't see so many deaths. Drunk drivers are no more dangerous than most 80+ year old behind the wheel.

Lastly, handguns are not nuclear weapons. Assured mutual destruction does not work as a deterrent, on the contrary; with handguns it's an incentive to make the first move. It's not that these people are well behaved because somebody around them is a dirty Harry impersonator, they're just simply well behaved. Besides, even the biggest coward has a breaking point, and that's usually when they go to school, work, etc, etc with a gun and kill a whole bunch of people unrelated to their problem.

All that said, I do agree with you that it's a mental issue, first and foremost, but I see no problem in attacking one problem from multiple angles (trying to better educate people and exercise some gun control)