[KDSBest]

Originally Posted by afzoo3hax This debate has been going on for many weeks - ever since people started unbanning their PS3s. Yet most of the arguments about it are utter conjecture. For example I don't believe even one single person has clearly explained how legitimate console_ids are ever being stolen. THIS IS A VERY LONG-WHINDED EXPLANATION: 1) People have tried using random console_ids and / or guessing legitimate console_ids. Nobody has ever reported that to have worked. 2) The console_id used to be just ignored my Sony. But now its whitelisted (meaning you need a valid one to log in), ever since Sony started the first ban wave(s) for those people they detected on CFW. 3) The console_id is too long to guess. Nobody has (yet) published an algorithm or code / system with which to generate one. This might be on purpose by Sony, or it might be that nobody is clever enough to figure it out. 4) It is really difficult for someone to figure out your OFW console_id. They would need to snoop the network data (packets) being sent to PSN when you log in. So they can only do that with some sophisticated spyware on something compromised on your LAN (not your PS3 itself). Or otherwise, you would have to have taken your PS3 to some dodgy shop, for repair or something. Or a staged LAN party or something like that. It would hardly ever happen. Nearly everybody just keeps their PS3s at home all the time. 5) By contrast, there are many people who have screwed up their consoles trying to downgrade them / install CFW. And also people might sucessfully downgeade, but because they opened their console it will later on die of YLOD/RLOD/GLOD basically overheating BGA solder. 6) THESE people can just look in their dumps of their broken consoles and give up their console_id to others. Or use it themselves if they have a second console. 7) Its far more likely that somone who has themselves moved to CFW will have their console_ids stolen since it is easier - they just have to give their dumps to someone else on the internet theey shouldn't have trusted. Then that guy (or basically anyone if they uploaded their dump to a public file sharing site). Can steal the console_id of THOSE people, since it is far easier to do that way. 8) Since they are so hard to come by, this is why CFW users all share the same few, valuable console_ids. Since there is no reason to waste them too quickly that would just exasberate the problem and turn people more desperate towards stealing console_ids from other users. It's really not necessary for the time being. 9) There are many ways to get banned. But mostly (if we just ignore TreyArch / Black Ops 2), the usual way is that somebody forgets to use PS_Ninja etc to hide their tracks and logs in to PSN after running a homebrew app. But we can also imagine Sony are getting better at detecting CFWs all the time. 10) It's really not important to Sony whether you agree that people should comply with their Online Access agreement. At the moment, Sony know that only OFW users who put their PS3's on an uncontrolled / unsecured LAN can have their console_ids unwittingly stolen. An exception for that situation may already in their agreement (i don't actually know myself). 11) Unless /until we can generate legitimate (whitelisted) console_ids. Then Sony doesn't need to change it's policy regarding banning console_ids. From a technical standpoint, it just seems to be working for them. 12) What the heck do legitimate OFW users have to complain about yet, since Sony's Policy is still working satisfactorily? It just does not affect them. 13) If it's about cheaters - they don't exist for very long since OFW users just need to report them to TreyArch, Sony, and they will be soon banned. No problems. 14) For the other CFW users who are not cheating - again what right to OFW users have to complain for? Their activities are not affecting OFW use of the Sony PSN / SEN online network whatsoever! 15) If you are objecting to unbanning because you have a general opinion about piracy, then you are disagreeing only on that basis. Which has got absolutely nothing to do with the technicalities of PS3 console_ids and / or getting banned. So you are contributing literally nothing to the discussion regarding the technicalities of banning / unbanning. I believe even the OP who started this thread, Hellsing9 has got it all wrong here.

They simply ban multiple logins with the same Console ID and they get banned instant.

You have to see the thing from sony's perspective too. You cracked your console the console is yours you bought it. If you agree with that. You have to agree with the online service is sony's servers. You don't even pay for it like on XBOX Live. So you have to agree that the online service is theirs else you create a paradoxon which is just selfish. Just because it is a company ripping it off because you can is simply not okay. That's my attitude.

[donglehater]

Just so you know, I never use ps_Ninja............in fact I regularly log on directly after playing a ps3 game through MM and go onto psn. I doubt what I say here will help you, but I am certain that ps_ninja and MM stealth do nothing at all, that in fact, it is something entirely different that identifies you as someone on cfw.

I regularly go onto the network. I have two systems, one of which is on cfw and the other ofw and I also have psn plus that I pay for every month. I have never stealthed my MM or ever used ps_ninja and I play most games whenever I choose. I do not play BO2 as that seems to be the one thing that will certainly get me banned.

All I have is the latest Rogero and have several homebrew or decrypted online passes installed.

[Sexbox]

I read this: COBRA’s ODE new device will have SEN feature.

What is this meant to be? Does this allow basically the same thing as changing a userID but on current OFW?

[hellsing9]

Originally Posted by Sexbox I read this: COBRA’s ODE new device will have SEN feature. What is this meant to be? Does this allow basically the same thing as changing a userID but on current OFW?

Probably. Only speculation until the device is ready.

Originally Posted by bigo93 Perhaps we should do our own ban wave. Even if you arent banned, use this tool to change your ID then invade Black Ops 2 servers, get banned, use another. The point of this would be to to get as many legitimate users banned as possible, and then get them to complain to $ony. If $ony are banning users for no reason then they'll have to do it another way, assuming of course $ony care/are forced to do so, if not then they will lose more customers. Let's hit $ony hard!

If we do that, we are no different from the ones who use console ID apps to remove the ban.
Also Sony don't gives a damn if OFW's join some cause and starts some riot to get banned, they will use the hammer and we have no power against them.

TOS = Is their bible.

Until they find a way to patch this....i see no quick solution out of this one.
But thinking the way sony does, patching this is a loss of money for them, they are letting die pretty much everything to give enough room to PS4.

Remember Gaikai and cloud gaming, etc.

Originally Posted by 4DoorITR Hellsing why the hell do you use asterisks in place of quotation marks? It's been bugging me for a while now.

Spanish mixes with my english. I use asterisks on a daily basis, will change it tough. Sorry about that.

[tenoob]

I agree 100% with hellsing9's statements, we don't know where this console ID's are coming from and using them is pretty selfish knowing this.

We can assume they are coming from bricked consoles but you know how the old saying goes "by assuming you make an ass out of you AND me".

If these console ID's are being generated, and they belong to active consoles on OFW this reflects bad on the scene as a whole.

I personally said **** BO2 and refuse to play it (even sold it) ever since they started banning CFW users.

I can't believe people use the unban tool to keep playing that retarded game on cfw.

[hellsing9]

Originally Posted by tenoob I agree 100% with hellsing9's statements, we don't know where this console ID's are coming from and using them is pretty selfish knowing this. We can assume they are coming from bricked consoles but you know how the old saying goes "by assuming you make an ass out of you AND me". If these console ID's are being generated, and they belong to active consoles on OFW this reflects bad on the scene as a whole. I personally said **** BO2 and refuse to play it (even sold it) ever since they started banning CFW users. I can't believe people use the unban tool to keep playing that retarded game on cfw.

Well the tools we have allow almost any user (even not experienced enough) to spoof/change/etc their console ID.
I don't blame them tough maybe they own ONE console and their on CFW and not cheating.

What i don't like is the *true colors* behind all this situation.
Sony don't care at all about this issue, hell we had that blue dildo for how much time going around in circles and users purchasing it and Sony not even lift a finger about those DRM devices.

I think, well common sense dictates that if you got banned using CFW and some game like COD black rope 2, just step out. Don't try again.
But as a said the tools are there, anyone can grab them and it's cool, problem is as a community i don't see it *right* to someone to change their console ID to get back online when they got ban hammered for justified reasons.

mM mask function as other things, sony already know they can spot any CFW user.
What hits a nerve that i saw as most you too saw, that all this **** started since some idiots started playing COD black rope 2 pre-release.

Not only they ruin the entire multiplayer experience or just playing *clean* without cheats that if they get banned they can get back on line and keep doing wtf they want. Using *random* console ID's.

Of course you have other users that use console ID, just to test or for a case they were banned for unknown reasons.
Problem is we will get more OFW's (im on ofw right now) bans as this keeps growing.

We don't have any tool or way to check or have a list or something of our HAX trusted users that got hammered and on which circunstances. Only the ban poll thread.

[Annelies]

I partially blame Sony and partially blame the author of this application and partially the Scene itself.

The author because his judgement of right and wrong has clearly been clouded by the loud and annoying cries of banned Call of Duty players. I hope that one day he learns to think for himself for no sane person would willingly drop this abomination on the Scene. He should stop making homebrew if this is all he can come up with.

The Scene itself for actually endorsing this crap. Anyone that uses this should have their internet privileges revoked -- period! You are just as bad if not worse than the people that buy DRM dongles. You should be banned from every Scene site, especially this one,

Sony for making it this easy. It shouldn't only be your console that's banned but your PSN ID, ALL PSN ID'S ASSOCIATED WITH YOUR SYSTEM AND YOUR IP. Sony stop putting so much trust in your users.

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[bigo93]

Originally Posted by katsuru And if we "fail" we end up arming hundreds or thousands of innocents without a way to revert the whole process? Still does not sound right, working with other peoples PRIVATE data to our own benefit....

And we win again, you think those who are banned because of those using their ID will be happy with $ony banning them for no reason? No, and as such they will most likely not buy $ony's next console or even other $ony products.

And let's face it, the majority of OFW users obviously dont care about CFW, or even that $ony introduced draconian terms and stole from all of us. They dont care because it doesnt affect them, but it did stop a few troll throwing food at protesters last year.
So if we cna make them victims as well, they'd be singing a different tune. At first they will obviously blame those who use CFW and hackers, but over time they will reconsider buying the next $ony console in the event that the same may occur.

Originally Posted by Annelies Sony for making it this easy. It shouldn't only be your console that's banned but your PSN ID, ALL PSN ID'S ASSOCIATED WITH YOUR SYSTEM AND YOUR IP. Sony stop putting so much trust in your users. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-T989 using Tapatalk 2

1) New email, new PSN ID
2) System = Console ID afaik so that's already patchable
3) IP addresses can be easily spoofed as well.

[Disane]

I can only wonder, why no one came up with a network tunneling or "custom" server solution to let heavy CFW users obsessed with multi player games play with each other (without the fear of getting banned).

I don't see how anyone can steal another persons console id. There's little I know about this situation, but I guess since this is probably the last year of the PS3 and many game servers will start to dwindle down, I guess it would be ideal to come up with a solution to let people with CFW connect to their friends through third party servers and play. This could be a partial solution to the problem and may encourage people to keep their consoles even after the PS4 is out on the markets.

[motopsycho650]

I have 2 PS3's. One running OFW and the other running rebug. I don't get online with the rebug PS3 at all, and never have.

All I'll say is, I'll be PISSED if either of my PS3's gets banned because an unban tool used my ID#.

CFW = No PSN, just accept it, and play offline.