[brakk3n]

I agree with the gist of Hellsing9's post. Using other peoples console ID's to get online to a service which you broke your agreement with by violating it's AUP is in the theme of this site comparable to how many view the TrueBlue Dongle users, advertisers and sellers. I said "comparable" so please do not bite my head off. Anyway, cheating in general is very lame as if you have to cheat in a game then you're a really poor gamer and if you've ever cheated in a game then beat it then you didn't beat anything. That is at least how I see it. Yes I know there are some exclusions like "mods" that don't give you infinite this and that other provide new cars, levels, but they are called "mods"... Something to maybe ponder on your own time.

I have to applaud hellsing9 as I was unaware that these applications (some of them at least) are based on using normal customer ID. Mostly because I do not go on-line with CFW. However, the debacle he faces is to either post or not post news about such things and I believe it goes past the "It's new we most post" attitude to what would get the site more exposure.

I faced similar issues with news when I ran a site and did post things that maybe I shouldn't have for hits. Looking back at that now and being able to see the larger picture I think the respect and integrity that goes along with making moral decisions in a largely immoral scene that I would of not posted some things.

On closing, I know most of you do not like the Cobra ODDE and I am not defending it; only stating facts and for the sake of this thread will not reply to about, but it's SEN compatibility of however it was stated is not based on another other then your own console ID. There are no built in functions into the logic board that controls the device to spoof ID's. If you are to take this with great reluctance then that is fine as it's good to question people and their motives and be allowed to do so. However, I believe this thread was meant to address the larger issue at hand and even if the ODDE did allow spoofing then the subject matter would still be about that - the spoofing.

Again I think Hellsing9 finally wrote a very excellent article with very good points.

[afzoo3hax]

There's nothing wrong with the point of view that this (using PS_Unban) is wrong. However personally it seems unnecessary whilst it's still only Sony themselves who are affected to any extent and they (Sony) still seem capable enough at protecting themselves.

And I must say, whenever I'm legitimately logged into PSN on OFW, I don't spend a single moment of my time thinking "Damn those CFW users... those barstards!" or when I play online I don't usually think "CFW users... you're messing it all up for me".

Because they simply aren't. And there is absolutely no evidence anywhere, even if you want to look with a microscope, that OFW users console_ids are being stolen. Period. Its a complete speculation which is founded on 0 facts by uninformed people who don't really seem to convincingly understand how this particular authentication mechanism actually works.

[brakk3n]

Originally Posted by afzoo3hax Because they simply aren't. And there is absolutely no evidence anywhere, even if you want to look with a microscope, that OFW users console_ids are being stolen. Period. Its a complete speculation which is founded on 0 facts by uninformed people who don't really seem to convincingly understand how this particular authentication mechanism actually works.

Would you mind per say explaining the authentication process. Your claims are by you so I rather hear it from a member then be simply linked to some website and told to "go read and somehow magically comprehend". Not that I am implying you'd do such a thing. I am just interested now if other console ID's of NON-CFW consoles are vulnerable to banning using these tools. If you do not have the time I understand.

[afzoo3hax]

Originally Posted by brakk3n I have to applaud hellsing9 as I was unaware that these applications (some of them at least) are based on using normal customer ID. Mostly because I do not go on-line with CFW. However, the debacle he faces is to either post or not post news about such things and I believe it goes past the "It's new we most post" attitude to what would get the site more exposure. I faced similar issues with news when I ran a site and did post things that maybe I shouldn't have for hits. Looking back at that now and being able to see the larger picture I think the respect and integrity that goes along with making moral decisions in a largely immoral scene that I would of not posted some things.

Yeah but it's just as big a slight going the other way if those CFW users you are all accusing of "wrongdoing" actually AREN'T stealing OFW console_ids.

The truth is that Hellsing doesn't know where they have come from. Or the nature of the PSN feature in that yet-to-be-resleased ODE device. It might be the user has to bring their own console_id. No-one actually knows that here either.

Blah. All more of the same scaremongering etc. bor-ing.
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Originally Posted by brakk3n Would you mind per say explaining the authentication process.

Wrote-out a really lengthy 15-point explanation earlier on in this thread. It explains nearly everything about the current situation. That is, as things stand today. You're welcome to scroll back a couple of pages to find the post. At the bottom of Page 2, I believe? Can't miss it.

[brakk3n]

Originally Posted by afzoo3hax Wrote-out a really lengthy 15-point explanation earlier on in this thread. It explains nearly everything about the current situation. That is, as things stand today. You're welcome to scroll back a couple of pages to find the post. At the bottom of Page 2, I believe? Can't miss it.

I must be getting old; though signing up took some time. Okay, excuses aside the only thing that really stood out was the fact the keys are "whitelisted". I don't believe Sony didn't do that from the get-go! What a mistake. So generating the keys and generating ones in that scope would indeed be very difficult especially if no one has been able to figure out the algo to do so. Random keys guessing for a whitelisted console ID key seems to be a pipe dream.

So the keys being used now are other valid consoles? If so how are they being obtained? Or is there some other method to bypass the banning being implemented?

[BEnemy]

Id be pissed if i woke up to find my ofw ps3 banned but then again i never go online with it. Hopefully there will be work arounds without using others ids.

[KopKaasDamp]

Originally Posted by HipHopStyler I remember that the Fuc*Psn.exe had a blank ID spoofer which was invisible for sony . In that time nobody got banned. Maybe the devs could use that options so their ID database doesnt get empty.If every generated orginal ID gets blank on sony´s server there wont be a problem anymore. Just an idea. I also play online with cfw,but I never touched codbo online. I played it offline , finished story and deleted. For now I play PES or FIFA and BF3 online and didnt get a ban.Hope it stay so...

I use fackpsn on rogero 4.30 and play mw2 and mw3 everyday, i don't no if it works but im still not banned.
No blops2 for me, i played it for a week on my ofw ps3 but i don't like the gameplay.

[tjexp]

Well still not banned here and I also have PS plus. If I do get banned, I'll just accept it. Only play single player games and sync trophies :D

[tidge789]

You break the PSN rules, you get caught then you can't access it anymore. That's it. Stop using methods like this that leads to legit players bans. What I don't understand is how are we supposed to obtain other console's ID ?

[Firebuble]

i never get banned, but this is sony problem, not customers problem... if some ofw user get banned in the middle its just collateral damage. sony must take care of their fair users (c'mon thats how its soppose to work), its not our problem... we just want to play online like everyone else, we dont use sony software, but thats not ilegal (or at least not on my country)

also if someone is banned unfairly there should be some kind of steps to do (phone call, email, etc) to get unbanned. and i will never feel guilty if i fake my ID to play online and some random user get banned, i will if i stole someone's ID and want him banned