[ttesterzz]

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin Who gives a f*ck, someone else can take up multiMAN and make it better.... What people usually do with code, they use it, adapt it.... Its quite a lot, if everyone nearly having a heart attack on IRC is anything to go by....

I know I would program to look and work how I see fit

[GregoryRasputin]

Its funny when you see pete_uk thank a post like that, another butt loving CrunchTard.

Originally Posted by Korben Blablablabla. He (Dean) used and is using codes and contributions from other developers (read @Estwald/Hermes and @deroad explanation about this) but do not share his own codes/contributions. If you want to talk about hypocrisis, there you go. And for the last time, the "scene" (PlayStation 3 hacking/homebrew community) is NOT about money, as @KDSBest explained it, if you're a developer and want money, find a job in real ****ing life or start a new project in another context (look at Minecraft for example). Not to mention that if you don't want to be a complete moron, you should not help and support ReDRM ****. End of story.

There is no point explaining to this1337 top tier developer, he is either talking out of his ass, or he too steals other peoples code and sells it like deank, the long wall of text is to throw you off and make people think he is smart.
Either way he has no understanding of what a homebrew scene is about.
Finally if there isn't a moderator like me, speaking against the crimes of so called devs like deank and sellouts like garyOPA, there would be more scum ripping off the PS3 scene.


Also I would like to thank REAL developers, who don't take a dick in the ass from reDRM manufacturers, who work tirelessly for what they believe, who work under the principles of homebrew, who don't cry about the lack of PayPal funds, developers like:
graf_choklo
@KDSBest
glevand
@squarepusher
@euss NL
@deroad
Mysis
Estwald/Hermes
@D_Skywalk
@condorstrike
@flatz
@CrashSerious
@SvenGDK
@cfw prophet
And all the other dudes do it for the love of creating homebrew.
Thank You for being their for other aspiring developers to look up to.
Thank You for showing us that not all devs are money leeching scumbags

[elopez]

Gregory, why there is advertising in this site? It seems that for you REAL devs are the ones that make things for free...then REAL "Scene" sites should be advertising free, don't you think?. I don't understand all this hatred against deank...seems that now the Iris devs are the new "angels" in the ps3 scene...and deank is the "devil" incarnation. Do you think Iris code has no "copy&paste"? Anyway I'm grateful for any dev doing something for free, I'm a dev too and I know how difficult it is to do even the most simple "copy&pasted" program. Just try it yourself. After reading this forums I understand why Hermes left the ps3 scene. People will always have something to complain...If I were deank I wouldn't even waste my time cleaning and releasing the code...since it's all copy&paste why do you need the source?, just put it up together by yourself and release it...seems it's an easy task for you.

[TheLoro]

Well at least I prove one thing. That people resort to profanity in order to cover up their lack of eloquence to prove their point. Too stupid to read and too close-minded to boot. Your best tactics are ad-hominem, which is lame. The guys you named who gave for free are great for doing so, I don't contest that. But you're all attacking me for stating that developers have a right to earn from what they do, whether its original or cobbled together. How poor in character can you all be?

What I find funny is that so much is made ado about applications whose express purpose is to play pirated games. Sure slap me with not knowing what "a homebrew scene is about" but Iris and MM are definitely not made under the definition of what homebrew should be, which makes it (game managers) fair game.

With all due respect, the tactics of ganging up and profanity shows how ugly this site has become. You're not convincing everyone when you say that you're "standing up" against exploiters. You certainly are no hero, Mr. Mod, because of how you go about "standing up".

PS. If something is open-sourced, and someone uses it for commercial purposes, it is NOT stealing. So get off your high horse.
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Originally Posted by Korben Blablablabla. He (Dean) used and is using codes and contributions from other developers (read @Estwald/Hermes and @deroad explanation about this) but do not share his own codes/contributions. If you want to talk about hypocrisis, there you go. And for the last time, the "scene" (PlayStation 3 hacking/homebrew community) is NOT about money, as @KDSBest explained it, if you're a developer and want money, find a job in real ****ing life or start a new project in another context (look at Minecraft for example). Not to mention that if you don't want to be a complete moron, you should not help and support ReDRM ****. End of story.

Hardly.

I just had to reply to this one. I don't even think you even know the meaning of hypocrisy. Look it up. Oh, and for the one asking if I was deank, no, I'm not. I'm just doing the decent thing and standing up for someone who's down and being kicked on the ground.

Seriously, the debate about him was won with him on the losing end so many posts ago. He writes bloatware. We get it. He "sold out" and worked with Cobra. We get it. I'm here like the rest who don't care, just being a thankful consumer and consuming. It should have been enough but to keep maligning a person, even when he obviously abdicated, is just wrong. People who don't agree with that basic human tenet are idiots.

And what is the scene anyway? The people who give stuff to it, or the people who take from it? Isn't it both? Who set down law that no one can make money when there's an opportunity? Don't get me wrong, I love free stuff. I pirate whenever I can. At least I don't lie about it, that would make me a hypocrite; nor do I call out somebody that wants to charge me for something I can't make myself.

Which brings me back to one of my point, the culture's wrong when everything good a person does is invalidated when he makes a mistake. It's as if all of you think either that you're perfect or have the right to look down on someone and judge them. Now THAT's hypocrisy.

[GregoryRasputin]

Originally Posted by TheLoro If something is open-sourced, and someone uses it for commercial purposes, it is NOT stealing. So get off your high horse boy.

It's cool dude, I know you are slightly retarded, because only a retard would think stealing other people's code and making profit from it is not stealing, so get of my dick dad.

Seriously how much of other people's open source code do you sell ?

Oh and stop felling sorry for yourself and deank, this is the f*cking Internet, dean put him in the position to be kicked, plus he I a big boy, he can defend himself quite well...


Also you want to talk about being hypocrite ?
You insulting people FIRST then crying about people insulting you, is hypocritical.

[svenmullet]

Originally Posted by elopez Gregory, why there is advertising in this site? It seems that for you REAL devs are the ones that make things for free...then REAL "Scene" sites should be advertising free, don't you think?.

That is what I like to call a logical fallacy. You're comparing apples to oranges, thus your analogy is fallacious and wrong. Just because you popped your forum cherry and made that your first post, I'll be nice enough to explain why you're wrong, and should never argue on the internet: The owner of this site uses advertising to cover server costs. It costs money to run a website, and he is not charging you anything to access it. Deank, on the other hand, has no overhead costs of developing multiman. If he wants to charge for his software, that's perfectly fine (and I would actually pay for it, because it is a good program) but he made a deal with cobra which, IMHO, is selling the whole end-user base down the river.

Originally Posted by TheLoro Well at least I prove one thing. That people resort to profanity in order to cover up their lack of eloquence to prove their point. Too stupid to read and too close-minded to boot. Your best tactics are ad-hominem, which is lame. The guys you named who gave for free are great for doing so, I don't contest that. But you're all seriously attacking me for stating that developers have a right to earn from what they do, whether its original or cobbled together. Seriously, your tactics of ganging up and profanity shows how ugly this site has become. PS. If something is open-sourced, and someone uses it for commercial purposes, it is NOT stealing. So get off your high horse boy. ************* [ - Post Merged - ] ************* Hardly. I just had to reply to this one. I don't even think you even know the meaning of hypocrisy. Look it up. Oh, and for the one asking if I was deank, no, I'm not. I'm just doing the decent thing and standing up for someone who's down and being kicked on the ground. Seriously, the debate about him was won with him on the losing end so many posts ago. He writes bloatware. We get it. He "sold out" and worked with Cobra. We get it. I'm here like the rest who don't care, just being a thankful consumer and consuming. It should have been enough but to keep maligning a person, even when he obviously abdicated, is just wrong. People who don't agree with that basic human tenet are idiots. And what is the scene anyway? The people who give stuff to it, or the people who take from it? Isn't it both? Who set down law that no one can make money when there's an opportunity? Don't get me wrong, I love free stuff. I pirate whenever I can. At least I don't lie about it, that would make me a hypocrite; nor do I call out somebody that wants to charge me for something I can't make myself. Which brings me back to one of my point, the culture's wrong when everything good a person does is invalidated when he makes a mistake. It's as if all of you think either that you're perfect or have the right to look down on someone and judge them. Now THAT's hypocrisy.

Hi, xRetardtorianx. How's things over at crunch?

[GregoryRasputin]

Originally Posted by elopez I'm a dev too

The only thing you are a dev of is congealed text and bullsh*t.

Originally Posted by svenmullet Hi, xRetardtorianx. How's things over at crunch?

Not sure it is him, though my first thought was "This f*ggot writes the same as that idiot xpreatorianx, he must have ADHD too".

[elopez]

Deank, on the other hand, has no overhead costs of developing multiman

You are wrong...his overhead cost is all the time he spent on developing multiman...and not on something that will give him real money like this advertised site...

And it's not completely true you let me post for free, apart from the server costs, you are covering my "free" post with the advertising...more popular the site, more discussion on the forums, more money for the site owners...

But you are right on something...I forgot I should never argue on the internet...sometimes I forget it...thanks for reminding me. bye.
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[QUOTE=GregoryRasputin;532775]The only thing you are a dev of is congealed text and bullsh*t.

I'm glad we have something in common then...

[GregoryRasputin]

Originally Posted by elopez You are wrong...his overhead cost is all the time he spent on developing multiman...and not on something that will give him real money like this advertised site... And it's not completely true you let me post for free, apart from the server costs, you are covering my "free" post with the advertising...more popular the site, more discussion on the forums, more money for the site owners... But you are right on something...I forgot I should never argue on the internet...sometimes I forget it...thanks for reminding me. bye.

For deanks over head charge, he should pay those who worked harder than him to make multiMAN possible.

As for this server, I hate ad's I use adblock+, I don't profit of the ad's as I do not own the site and the admin does not profit from the ad's as he has to delve into his own pockets to cover server charges.

Also hate to burst your little bubble, but we have nothing in common, you struggle to use a forum properly, I guess that's why you don't post much.

[elopez]

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin For deanks over head charge, he should pay those who worked harder than him to make multiMAN possible. As for this server, I hate ad's I use adblock+, I don't profit of the ad's as I do not own the site and the admin does not profit from the ad's as he has to delve into his own pockets to cover server charges. Also hate to burst your little bubble, but we have nothing in common, you struggle to use a forum properly, I guess that's why you don't post much.

I don't post much because:

1) I have serious limitations to handle forums...

2) There is no point in arguing with guys like you that think they are the kings of the hill and the owners of the "truth".

I was just giving an opinion, but oh it is not the same than yours...so let's insult the stupid ass that thinks different that you do. It's ok man if that makes you happy...

BAN me and make me a favor this site is getting 80% insults 20% discussions.

Oh and sorry for my limited English, it's not my first language.