[godking666]

you are refering to to the vancouver airport incident. im from van

[GregoryRasputin]

Originally Posted by hellsing9 Because *cards* don't have electrical conductivity.

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[Jaerin]

Originally Posted by BobbyBangin I DO support people owning tasers just as I support gun rights. They could come in handy in a REAL emergency situation. That doesn't mean i support people wielding or making use of them like idiots. I did see the video. It's not a case of he said, she said. It's facts. The police later admitted to it. I'm not going to post the actual footage of him being being killed. The toxicology reports came back to show him having no drugs or alcohol in his system. You're assumptions are all wrong. You could easily Google and find all the court proceedings from the event. Everything I said is factual and not biased. So yeah, that's what I'm basing my evidence off of. As far as the witnesses go, it was like a 1m30s news brief, not an hour long episode of 20/20 where they show all the interviews. Like I said, you could find a lot more info out on it by using Google. It's just mine as well as the majority opinion but the law enforcement seemed to clearly be in the wrong. I'll save you a little bit of trouble...the police department settled out of court for 1 million dollars and changed the taser laws. Two other taser lawsuits were settled in the same town that year. That doesn't sound like they were in the right to me.

So you think that all police officers are like those idiots then? You presented that 1:30 minute news cast as your evidence. I have nothing to prove because I didn't use it as my source of backing up my ideas.

If they settled out of court great they admitted wrong doing, but that still doesn't change the fact that drunks are often very dangerous armed or not. They do stupid things for stupid reasons. They don't listen to instructions and think they are often above the law. So yeah I would risk one idiot getting tased over the potential for getting cops hurt by people who can't control themselves.

Lets see what the full taser numbers indicate how many people die vs how many people are protected by putting stupid people down. Then you compare that to how many times stupid people attempt to hurt cops when they know they did something wrong. Cops can't read minds, all they know is that someone did or appeared to be doing something against the law. If its true they have no idea if the person is going to bolt, pull a gun, jump in the car and flee. The number of bad scenarios that could happen to that cop are SIGNIFICANTLY higher than anything that cop could do to that person.

They generally attempt to control the situation as much as humanly possible so they don't find themselves in situations that would get them hurt. The problem is people who don't think they did anything wrong generally don't like being controlled. Well too bad...if that cop is a bad apple and kicks your ass then take it up with the police station, not with the cop on the scene.

So maybe your friend WAS the exception to this and those cops should get punished, but people who get tazed, in my experience, have what's coming to them more often than not.

[godking666]

im just gonna say id have punched her. not tazed her

[BobbyBangin]

Originally Posted by Jaerin So you think that all police officers are like those idiots then? You presented that 1:30 minute news cast as your evidence. I have nothing to prove because I didn't use it as my source of backing up my ideas. If they settled out of court great they admitted wrong doing, but that still doesn't change the fact that drunks are often very dangerous armed or not. They do stupid things for stupid reasons. They don't listen to instructions and think they are often above the law. So yeah I would risk one idiot getting tased over the potential for getting cops hurt by people who can't control themselves. Lets see what the full taser numbers indicate how many people die vs how many people are protected by putting stupid people down. Then you compare that to how many times stupid people attempt to hurt cops when they know they did something wrong. Cops can't read minds, all they know is that someone did or appeared to be doing something against the law. If its true they have no idea if the person is going to bolt, pull a gun, jump in the car and flee. The number of bad scenarios that could happen to that cop are SIGNIFICANTLY higher than anything that cop could do to that person. They generally attempt to control the situation as much as humanly possible so they don't find themselves in situations that would get them hurt. The problem is people who don't think they did anything wrong generally don't like being controlled. Well too bad...if that cop is a bad apple and kicks your ass then take it up with the police station, not with the cop on the scene. So maybe your friend WAS the exception to this and those cops should get punished, but people who get tazed, in my experience, have what's coming to them more often than not.

I don't think ALL police officers are like that, just the majority of them. I do think it's a shame for the few good ones out there. It's probably why society has a growing distrust and general dislike of law enforcement.

Cops are just people. They make mistake too. The difference is that they rarely have to pay for theirs. Lol...like you can trust a police station to take a bad cop's word over yours. Your argument is becoming comical. You sound like you either are a cop or you just generally like to jock their balls.

[Jaerin]

Originally Posted by BobbyBangin I don't think ALL police officers are like that, just the majority of them. I do think it's a shame for the few good ones out there. It's probably why society has a growing distrust and general law enforcement. Cops are just people. They make mistake too. The difference is that they rarely have to pay for theirs. Lol...like you can trust a police station to take a bad cop's word over yours. Your argument is becoming comical. You sound like you either are a cop or you just generally like to jock their balls.

I've never met a single person who says they have been personally involved in or even 2nd hand involved in a police excessive force incident. Its easy to think that this is happening all the time because that's what we do as humans, we remember the exceptions. You get 5 bad incidents out of a million and the only ones people will remember are the 5.

Go watch Cops, Real Stories of the Highway Patrol, or the numerous other reality TV shows following cops around and you will see the kinds of stupid people cops deal with every day. You might say, but I'm not one of them...well they don't know that. Better to treat you like you're going to stick them with a knife than to get stuck by one. Obviously, if all the cops deal with a ghetto punks and drug rats they are going to start treating everyone they meet like that, because again they don't have any idea who you are or what you're like.

Follow instructions and you'll make it through just fine.

[BobbyBangin]

Originally Posted by Jaerin I've never met a single person who says they have been personally involved in or even 2nd hand involved in a police excessive force incident. Its easy to think that this is happening all the time because that's what we do as humans, we remember the exceptions. You get 5 bad incidents out of a million and the only ones people will remember are the 5. Go watch Cops, Real Stories of the Highway Patrol, or the numerous other reality TV shows following cops around and you will see the kinds of stupid people cops deal with every day. You might say, but I'm not one of them...well they don't know that. Better to treat you like you're going to stick them with a knife than to get stuck by one. Obviously, if all the cops deal with a ghetto punks and drug rats they are going to start treating everyone they meet like that, because again they don't have any idea who you are or what you're like. Follow instructions and you'll make it through just fine.

Do I honestly think they meant to kill him? No. However, I do think they thought they were gonna teach him a lesson and show him who's boss. That's where they crossed the line. Anytime a normal citizen does something like that, that goes wrong that way they pay a heavy price for it. Being that they were police makes this even worse. That's where my problem lies. Law enforcement thinks they can do things like that and get away with it. The are they law. Therefore they think they are above the law. Obviously to an extent, they are. There's no argument you can make to excuse their actions. Long gone are the days of "to protect and serve". Now it's all black and white so they can generate that revenue for the city and promotions for themselves. You would be naive to believe this was one a few exceptions. This happens thousands of times every day. Trust me, I know quite a bit about this. Your average cop is no better than your average citizen. It's a case of the blind leading the blind.

[Jaerin]

Originally Posted by BobbyBangin Do I honestly think they meant to kill him? No. However, I do think they thought they were gonna teach him a lesson and show him who's boss. That's where they crossed the line. Anytime a normal citizen does something like that, that goes wrong that way they pay a heavy price for it. That's where my problem lies. Law enforcement thinks they can do things like that and get away with it. The are they law. Therefore they think they are above the law. Obviously to an extent, they are. There's no argument you can make to excuse their actions. Long gone are the days of "to protect and serve". Now it's all black and white so they can generate that revenue for the city and promotions for themselves. You would be naive to believe this was one a few exceptions. This happens thousands of times every day. Trust me, I know quite a bit about this. Your average cop is no better than your average citizen. It's a case of the blind leading the blind.

Now that I don't doubt, but to paint every cop in that is a little naive and dangerous for all of them. As soon as you start treating them like they are the enemy regardless of there actions you put yourself in an even more dangerous situation.

There is no excuse for the kind of behavior you described and they should be punished. The very fact that every officer is being required to have cameras and such to document their actions is an attempt to prevent the very type of thing you are talking about. Every officer should be held accountable 100% of the time and you are right they make mistakes.

The problem I see is taking away their tools to protect themselves because some people abuse them isn't going to solve the problem anymore than taking away peoples guns is going to stop gun violence. There needs to be a culture shift to make sure that all cops are held accountable, but IMO when it comes down to it we ask our law enforcement to put themselves in harms way every day. If you want to blame someone for forcing them to feel like they have to "teach people a lesson" whether warranted or not blame the violent criminals for making them feel unsafe.

I'm just not willing to give every victim of "excessive force" an automatic pass on their own bad behavior. I highly doubt that most cops have ANY interest in getting into an altercation with ANYONE if they don't have too. If they do they shouldn't be cops in the first place.

[BobbyBangin]

Originally Posted by Jaerin I highly doubt that most cops have ANY interest in getting into an altercation with ANYONE if they don't have too. If they do they shouldn't be cops in the first place.

Exactly. That's what this is all about. He was backing up with his palms towards them when they tasered him. They were already pissed at that point and decided to put a little extra hurtin on him. They just didn't know it was going to go south like that. If that's how police are gonna behave I would rather not have any. Most of what they do only occurs AFTER a crime has been committed. I don't care what they put on the line. That's their choice. My brother is a Marine, but he chose to do so. That's also his choice. They all know what they're getting paid when they sign up. C'mon...there's lots more reasons to being a cop than "upholding justice" LOL. For instance, some do it for the power and respect while others do it because no matter how much they ****** about the pay, it still pays a lot better than the next job they had in line. I've met some that did it just so they could put their military experience to use. To me all of those are wrong reasons to hold a job such as that.

[TizzyT]

People like her, need to be put out, literally. All bad parents like her are doing is breeding/raising more retards into the world, I mean look at the kids, "That's why you gay"...well thats why your mom got tazed, stupid disrespectful little runt. Even Though I don't like separating kids from their parents, in cases like these its for the better. Parents IMO can do anything they like, but at least raise their kids properly until a given age where they just discover things on their own. And what the hell was the father or friend (who ever the hell he is) doing? if he really cared, he should have taken the kids and went somewhere else, and not let them see such a fate. And yeah I think she should have been shot a second time, and the dude should be tazed too. Like someone else mentioned sure police brutality exists no doubt but then there is always 2 sides and in this scenario it was the other way around, a good cop/guard being bashed by stupid people. As for who ever mentioned black people etc, No I do not believe in race being cause to these things, I blame the environment and their upbringing and situations and circumstances. Places called Ghetto and things relating to gangsters all have a general stereotype for a reason.

Welp thats my opinion, So tell me forum "have you ever been tazed?". Please leave your creative or constructive responses in the comment section below.

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