[eiamhere69]

I must admit that was a thought which had crossed my mind, but I dismissed it, thinking this thing will be locked down (which it will). But I just realized, this is SONY, when it's hacked there'll probably be a Dev setup tutorial, with full hardware schematics hard coded into the os or something.

I've never bought I single digital item (I'm not into all this bend over and take it culture that the corporations seem to be breeding), but denying people the right to carry over there digital purchases is garbage, and an appalling lack of respect for customers (typical Sony).

This will be passed off as hardware dependancies (which it's not). We all know the money is in the software. Sony are desperate for this to take off, after many failures. They need people to purchase titles, but Sonys mindset is that, if they allow you to play games which are already paid for, they've 'lost' a sale.

Onto the hardware argument. These game will need transferring over to the new Gaiki, I'm unsure whether they will do this immediately, so as to have more services and sales opportunities at launch, simply blaming the the PS3 hardware for the PSN issue, in typical arrogant Sony fashion.

Alternatively, they could hold back the service saying it's coming, just as Home was all those years ago. I suspect they'll go the first route but with select games, saying it's a chore to port games over and very costly.

Hopefully Microsoft call Sonys bluff and carry Xbox live over to there own new network service, forcing Sony to do likewise. Microsoft essentially becoming the saving grace of Sonys own customers, I wouldn't hold my breath though, there's literally billions in it, and these corporations know it.

[marty370]

Originally Posted by junse Mmmm... Cpu x86 64 bits, gpu pc enhanced... ps4 games in pc emulator short time after launch? ***ups I dont read the yanbae post before mine

Doubt it, what about all the custom chips, not found in a bog stand PC.

[eiamhere69]

Sorry just came across some new info. Apararently Sony are holding back so people buy PS4 software and eventually dribble out previous gen software on the Gaiki system later. Nice of them to at least allow you to re-buy, the software you repurchased already.

I honestly thought they'd keep this quite and allow people to buy up before realizing.

[GregoryRasputin]

Front page updated, more info added.

[VIRGIN KLM]

...x86 + 8GB unified memory...

[marty370]

Originally Posted by DEFAULTDNB @marty370 please stop making individual posts for things that could go all in one thread, if its relevant put it in here, or I will start delete/merge your threads to this one. *merged*

Will do, soz.
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Spec Analysis: PlayStation 4

Digital Foundry's take on the final confirmed spec, the capabilities of the hardware - and the surprise 8GB announcement.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df...-playstation-4

[hellsing9]

Originally Posted by marty370 Whats with the 'smoke & mirrors' comment. Sony's no Microsoft. The demo's were realtime & live.

Many people could pull some crazy presentation with no (Sony) PS4 neither (MS) Durango, logo behind them. Just using some pre-rendered material and more than one person will believe what's is in front of them asking no question about it because we are not talking about some random company.

Sony instead (im not nor sony or ms fan) gone for the ****ing controller showing us just an extension of the console, not the console per se.
Yeah all nice and cool but what about the ****ing product?, i want to see what i will probably buy in a near future.

I don't give a damn if sony is showing less and MS more or MS pwns and sony sucks.
You can't refute this simple fact = Sony (in this case) did not show a **** about their own product with some pathetic excuse probably *well, we can't show to the people something that looks like like a pc build but has no label of our company yet.) Let's keep them entertained with the ****ing controller! and some random demos.

Give me a break.

*They* will give the upperhand to MS to release their console because this **** is not even prepared.
As always and im not amused about this instead of working on the vantage points of their own hardware, they gone with the heat/cold features of the ****ing controller.
Put a serious tought to that and you will notice that they will never change.

[GregoryRasputin]

Originally Posted by marty370 Whats with the 'smoke & mirrors' comment. Sony's no Microsoft. The demo's were realtime & live.

Originally Posted by hellsing9 You can't refute this simple fact = Sony (in this case) did not show a **** about their own product with some pathetic excuse probably *well, we can't show to the people something that looks like like a pc build but has no label of our company yet.) Let's keep them entertained with the ****ing controller! and some random demos. Give me a break.

Talking about random demos, the Watch_Dog demo wasn't even played on the PS4, they used a PC with similar specs.

[BobbyBangin]

Originally Posted by hellsing9 Many people could pull some crazy presentation with no (Sony) PS4 neither (MS) Durango, logo behind them. Just using some pre-rendered material and more than one person will believe what's is in front of them asking no question about it because we are not talking about some random company. Sony instead (im not nor sony or ms fan) gone for the ****ing controller showing us just an extension of the console, not the console per se. Yeah all nice and cool but what about the ****ing product?, i want to see what i will probably buy in a near future. I don't give a damn if sony is showing less and MS more or MS pwns and sony sucks. You can't refute this simple fact = Sony (in this case) did not show a **** about their own product with some pathetic excuse probably *well, we can't show to the people something that looks like like a pc build but has no label of our company yet.) Let's keep them entertained with the ****ing controller! and some random demos. Give me a break. *They* will give the upperhand to MS to release their console because this **** is not even prepared. As always and im not amused about this instead of working on the vantage points of their own hardware, they gone with the heat/cold features of the ****ing controller. Put a serious tought to that and you will notice that they will never change.

Well said. That's the exact same ploy $ony used over the Dreamcast which doomed it fate. They waited for it and then made the same thing but better and with DVD playback. Everybody knew that at the time. They can't innovate like Nintendo so they just try to trump them with specs and by taking their innovations and beefing them up. That's why I'm glad MS isn't showing their hand.

[hellsing9]

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin Talking about random demos, the Watch_Dog demo wasn't even played on the PS4, they used a PC with similar specs.

Because they have nothing = NADA.
I think also that they focused so much on the controller because they don't wont to end that magic spell (misconception) that a console it's not a PC inside a nice *box* with a nice logo on it. Console fanboys all over the world if they see something like that will get eventually MAD.

You can use any high end pc today and run any friggin game that works on a console.
But what's the catch?, there's no business there.
So many different combinations of pieces of hardware can bring some serious problem to devs = PERFECT excuse.

Watch dogs won't run on PS4 yet, why?. (it's my opinion)

1) Making that E3 Demo was a bit too much to show. Even if the product is EPIC they could done it shorter to keep people waiting for more. Next time they will need to make a bigger impresion than the latest E3 so = More work.
(Still remember car crash imprinted in my mind when that shady guy cut off electrical supply with his cellphone).
2) Probably *incompatible* with *PS4*.
3) Or just they went to the easy way = Eye candy for everyone. Why bother with such epic game when their top priority is to show the controller...

Instead of making something solid about this, just to lure the incredulous one to *believe* they ****ed all over the place hiding and generating more expectation and even more doubts than we needed.

Originally Posted by BobbyBangin Well said. That's the same ploy $ony used over the Dreamcast which doomed it fate. They waited for it and then made the same thing but better and with DVD playback. Everybody knew that at the time. They can't innovate like Nintendo so they just try to trump them with specs and by taking their innovations and beefing them up. That's why I'm glad MS isn't showing their hand.

Indeed. It's their downfall if we go to *leaks* of specs. Durango will have Blu-ray (kudos for them). Some days ago a friend of mine told me this (which already knew) and made me think about current next-gen consoles.
If the PS3 have more than 7 years on the market with the same kind of hardware is still *alive* because blu-ray, i don't see any other reasons unless we talk about franchises like MGS than gone multi with HD collections.

So pretty much to resume lifespan and why PS3 survived all this years (with their stubborn policies about hacking their products, etc) it's because they played their cards well back in time adding something never seen before on a console = Blu-ray drive.
But if you compare to Xbox 360 and DVD. Yeah many had to swap discs (Final fantasy 7) many times to get your ass out your warm couch to swap them (that's the fun of console gaming) but still (MS) managed to survive with an *older* optical drive all this years.

Today Xbox360 is 100% hacker friendly while many people buy a some PS3 just for having a console with blu-ray on it and asking if they can hack them when you have to buy certain model to downgrade your PS3.
If sony is willing to bet again to blu-ray, they will end like dreamcast.

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About nintendo? always they will *win* between MS and Sony because on first stance they have nothing to lose.
They don't care about *RAW* graphical display of power, they care about gameplay and family friendly content.

Compare XMB of PS3 with Xbox360 dashboard and then nintendo and you will notice many differences.
PS3 = Rustical. Even if you have some dynamic theme feels *lifeless* and something that an *adult* could only understand.
Xb0x360 = Dynamic, funny you can do some crazy avatars all is full of colors and easy to understand.
Nintendo = You feel (or i) that you have 6 years old again looking at that menu. 100% easy to follow anyone can understand it easily (even some grandpa or grandma) without even read the manual of the product.

My point is theres no more room for innovation, that's why sony bought gaikai thinking that *cloud gaming* will save the day. (I don't know what MS bought about cloud services).
They want their products (most of the companies out there) easy to use, easy to dispose of them.
They want YOU in their game but that tech it's 10 times more expensive and 10 times harder to apply in reality without fail, than we tought.
Like illumiroom from MS. (check that out if you don't know about it)

Last and not less important look what happened with *Move* and *Kinect* simple gadgets with a poor game catalogue.
Some half-finished hybrid product that relays on one objective = You are the controller. Sadly or depends how you look that situation many kinects being used on MIT or for research purposes. Move?...well.