[GregoryRasputin]

Originally Posted by ViperMM < @ViperMM > !seen GregoryRasputin <&HaX> GregoryRasputin was last seen here 1 day, 1 hour, 53 minutes ago. <%Olga2>He is not here < @ViperMM > I know baby. I know.... I'm sure Plot will come back with something like... we know some people pirate things on our emulator, however we have evidence Sony employees have used it. Anyways, I think this new patent probably isn't all that new considering the way Sony works. I do think them filing a patent definately makes this new to John Q. Public and makes this good to discuss and be in our news. :P

I've been on a TV show watching Marathon, Fringe and Jericho.

[stevorkz]

Originally Posted by General Plot Don't try to school me. I've been in the scene for longer than you might think and I more than understand the concept of homebrew and getting the most out of a piece of hardware, but what I also know is that when you look around communities (this one or others like it), the general consensus is people saying they "want homebrew" and "backups", when it doesn't take a genius to know they mean backup managers and help with using downloaded games. How many posts have you seen where someone asked for help with a torrent they downloaded and don't know how to unrar them or how to load them? I've seen about a million. And how many have asked for help with homebrew games, for example? Not many. They're few and far between. This is what the "homebrew scene" is today. Again, I reiterate what I said before: I hope the PS4 never gets hacked. I'm tired of seeing warez kiddies with a million questions on how to use their stolen software.

School you? Really? lol. You should try not to automatically look for ways to take offense from peoples posts. Nothing i said in my post was meant to offend you. Unless you actually learnt something from what I said and that was subconsciously too much for your pride to handle?.

All Im saying is no matter what the general consensus is as you put it, that doesnt change the fact that there are and always will be people who want there machines hacked for reasons other than piracy.

"Im not going to put cfw on my ps3/4 because most of the community do it just for piracy", is a rather dumb mindset Im sorry to be so bold.

Now Im not saying every game I play is original, but If I was the only person in the world that hacked their ps3 just for homebrew, I would still do it because homebrew is fun and unlocking your device is something I believe in and I DEFINITELY would still do it if it only enabled homebrew and not piracy aswell. It has nothing to do with what the rest of the community use their jailbroken machine for.

[ViperMM]

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin I've been on a TV show watching Marathon, Fringe and Jericho.

Adamsville got me hooked on Breaking Bad so now I'm doing the same

[AsimLeonheart]

Originally Posted by General Plot Just like so many other people, you think not being able to afford something justifies downloading it illegally. Sorry, but just because content exists doesn't mean you're automatically entitled to it. If new games are too expensive, explore other ways (used game stores, ebay, etc...). If you can afford to buy the console (which is much more expensive), then you can afford some money for games.

It is very difficult for you to imagine lives and circumstances of people in third world countries. I can buy a $300 console... AFTER SAVING BIT BY BIT FOR A FEW YEARS but I just cannot spend $60 even only two or three times a year to buy games because that is equal to the livelihood of my family for two months. Hell, I managed to buy my PS3 160GB just recently in August 2011 for $320 even though I had been wanting to buy one since launch. It is easy to say such things but only those who live in such countries truly understand the situation. There are no used game stores, game rental stores, Ebay, Google Play, Amazon, Paypal or any other such luxuries in my country. The few legitimate games available on local stores are imported/smuggled and are sold for premium prices which are even higher than $60. I cant even find the game I want because shop owners only keep 4 or 5 titles at a time. They just cannot afford to keep all the latest and popular titles on stores. I am one of the most priveledged in my country being a university graduate, being able to speak/write English, financially well-off than 90% of the population but even I cannot afford to buy a couple of legitimate games without raising some eyebrows at my home. Just because we do not have the money like the people in first world countries does not means we do not desire or deserve the joys of life. By your logic it means if a person cannot afford to buy food then he deserves to die of hunger instead of stealing it to stay alive. Like I said before, only a person who lives in poverty can understand the problems of the poor. I am sorry if I have said anything to offend you; I just wanted you to understand my situation and why I cant buy legitimate games.

[mdrb97]

lol, in my opinion this protection is weak, why? Because, take as an example, if you're reading it from the hdd, it will be obviously faster than reading the game by the blue-ray drive, lets say that the blue-ray drive loads 60mb/s, and the hdd 100mb/s, just apply a limit to the load speeds of the hard drive, but I don't know I just think it could work this way.

[stevorkz]

Originally Posted by mdrb97 lol, in my opinion this protection is weak, why? Because, take as an example, if you're reading it from the hdd, it will be obviously faster than reading the game by the blue-ray drive, lets say that the blue-ray drive loads 60mb/s, and the hdd 100mb/s, just apply a limit to the load speeds of the hard drive, but I don't know I just think it could work this way.

I thought of something similar as well although obviously anything said at this stage is easier said than done. How about a spoof of some kind to make the device think its taking a certain amount of time to read the game when in fact its not?

All theory of course. But at this stage theory is all that can give us hope . That and the architectural implementation.

[cboushell]

Originally Posted by ZOMBIEKILLAH Who said that i am demanding anything ? On that note ,you like buying DISC based movies, games, music, that limits you from copying the media to multiple device you own & have to carry a book/suitcase of discs around. Then so enjoy your infected products. I will say it in simple words, you pay for it you own it. They will not buy the product back from you, nor are you paying a rental fee. Guess what ? We own it, that is the bottom line. We do what we want. Nobody will stop me/us who choose to do more with are media. It is not how i want it, it is how 50% of the world wants it. I just have the balls to speak out against them & restrictions ,since i am one of many who make them rich ! To think about it ,i do have the right to speak my mind or even demand it as a customer who increases there revenue. If they want to sell me limited products that can do so much more? Then i say FU to the sellers of those products. I find myself a better product which does not cause grief to me as a customer, by silencing my audio of my movies, just because i want to watch my movies on a device that can hold all my media. I enjoy having my own type of NETFIX collection/movie covers .I am proud to purchase & own a product that allows me to stream my media with no interference. I paid for it ,so i will stream the crap out of them all day long in digital form ripped by yours truly. So you want to obey & bow down to these scum? They do not want you to copy to any device . They want you to buy multiple copies. They want to sell you another copy if you break the first. They want to sell you services like NETFLIX & others alike, while you pay to watch movies at your finger tips. Which we can do this in are own home with the movies we buy! They want to re sell you the same old products/games on a new console. Blah ,Blah , Blah .. It is ok, if you want to be one of the suckers in the bunch. Go ahead be my guest, they love people who do not speak out against them & stay silent while they rule over you like sheep. I am not one to keep my mouth shut , or stand there & not fight when i see someone wants to hurt me, or to follow people who try to control me & the world. The last thing i will do is say "YES MASTER" to any controlling corporation. They who sell products that interrupt my entertainment ,will not fill there pockets with my money. When they clearly know they can sell a better product ,that is not infected & allow you to watch or play games the way you want to. As a veteran customer who has supported for them for decades, i have every right to speak my mind. Nobody demanded nothing here or in my post. It is simple ,if there is something in a product that will interfere with your experience .Then buy the products that do not interfere with your digital experience. The sellers of products who gives you freedom, will be the ones who win in the future, not the products with spyware / firmware infection.

No one is forcing you to buy any of these products that are causing you to have a mental breakdown here in front of us. If you don't like a product or manufacturer of a product, don't buy it. The solution to your problem with these companies is simple, don't support them, and that actually seems to be what you are suggesting, the problem is you don't seem to be able to resist the products they make, and therefore are unable to live by the beliefs you espouse. One last thing guy, the word is "our" not "are". And to those who seem to think that this guy knows his s**t, as you put it, can you please tell me what makes you feel like this. Please point out his huge pearls of knowledge.
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Originally Posted by AsimLeonheart It is very difficult for you to imagine lives and circumstances of people in third world countries. I can buy a $300 console... AFTER SAVING BIT BY BIT FOR A FEW YEARS but I just cannot spend $60 even only two or three times a year to buy games because that is equal to the livelihood of my family for two months. Hell, I managed to buy my PS3 160GB just recently in August 2011 for $320 even though I had been wanting to buy one since launch. It is easy to say such things but only those who live in such countries truly understand the situation. There are no used game stores, game rental stores, Ebay, Google Play, Amazon, Paypal or any other such luxuries in my country. The few legitimate games available on local stores are imported/smuggled and are sold for premium prices which are even higher than $60. I cant even find the game I want because shop owners only keep 4 or 5 titles at a time. They just cannot afford to keep all the latest and popular titles on stores. I am one of the most priveledged in my country being a university graduate, being able to speak/write English, financially well-off than 90% of the population but even I cannot afford to buy a couple of legitimate games without raising some eyebrows at my home. Just because we do not have the money like the people in first world countries does not means we do not desire or deserve the joys of life. By your logic it means if a person cannot afford to buy food then he deserves to die of hunger instead of stealing it to stay alive. Like I said before, only a person who lives in poverty can understand the problems of the poor. I am sorry if I have said anything to offend you; I just wanted you to understand my situation and why I cant buy legitimate games.

Hey if you can't afford a car steal your neighbors, if the girl you like won't f**k you rape her, if your wife can't have children there is always kidnapping. Your sense of entitlement is sickening. If there is something I can't afford I go without especially something as trivial and unnecessary as a videogame. When the horny, hungry, and tired of walking guy from the end of your street comes in your home rapes your wife/mother and or children, eats your food, then drives off in your car I'm glad to know you won't have a problem with any of it. Good day.

[ultimatek]

for christ sake
this may not even be for the ps4, its only a patent, no system specified
assuming is gonna be implemented, then

first, the architecture of this anti-piracy measure
is almost identical to the xbox 360. such measure was
defeated in months if not days. so is not practical.

second, it doesn work well as main anti-piracy measure.
you see any fingerprints in the disc can trigger a fail
check or a flag, meaning you console or account(or both)
will be blocked/banned. that's why it can only be complement
to other measures, as the 360 does, and again it doesn't
stop piracy...it only creates more tools and mechanisms
to disable this measures or circunvent it.

third, this check can be defeated via disc drive or cfw very
easy....via disc drive we can add additional instructions
to circunvent the check and comply with the console check
request, like the ixtreme fw on the 360 does. and via cfw
we can remove the check or fake it, simple as that.
also it not only check seek time, but it check data flow
and data bandwidth. their reasoning is that this anti-piracy
measure will detect anything not legal or possible under
special circumstances...again all this can be easily patched.
reading the patent there was a segment that mentioned legal
games in flash drives....i wonder if sony will start using drm
infected dongles to distribute games...


four. what really disturbs me is, if the check fails,
there is an instruction to "check user details", that
could be your username, credit card info, ip address
and more.

if anyone remebers the ppl who received a letter from sony
warning them to block/ban them and sue their asses if they continue
their behavior to circunvent the system & play pirated
games. while no case emerged from users being sued from
playing copied games, this can change for the future.
with the new laws coming into effect, they can force our
isps to handle our real life identities. so this "check for
user details" if a fail check/flag ocurrs, can trigger an app
on sonys server side and use this data to automatic send a
bill to us with the cost of the illegal game/movie or app we
used and a fee as penalty for using illegal means to use them.
i see no trouble for sony doing this, but this is only expeculation
and only my personal point of view, of what sony can do
and be capable of.

is not if it can be hacked, is when it will.

having a x86 processing architecture, will make matters
more easy to hack, and i will love to see what kind of homebrew
will come out of it. that means porting emulators already on pc
to ps4 very easy and fast...so i will like to see sony when some1
creates/port a ps2 emulator to the ps4 or better, having 6 times
more power under the hood, i see no real trouble making a ps3
emulator, with time, all is possible.


obviusly no one should expect the ps4 to be fully hacked in months, it will
take time 2-3 years maybe, as any new system does...

protected systems and media are the reason for piracy, and
any step to secure harder something, it excites the piracy
itself even more.

[Theeze]

What's up with all the caps? If you want to make a point, you can make it without coming off as annoying.

We know it will be based on x86, we're talking about the possibilities it can provide IF hacked, no one said it would be easy. The ones claiming it to be easy as pie aren't tech savvy.

I for example made a comment about if it were hacked as a few others did. You should mention the ones instead of caps locking buddy. You don't want to be one of those people.

[Solotime]

I was going to hack my psp back in 2009 to hack on Fire team bravo 2. There was so many f**king hackers r*ping me so hard. I got so sick of them I wanted to hack but I learned how to glitch super good so I would make games and do some cool glitches with people. In 2011 I hacked my psp and downloaded some homebrew. I made all legal copies of my psp games. I however, never going to share my ISO's. In 2013 I learned more about better homebrews. So all the damn people need is better sites to list the F**king homewbrews. I googled end list nights trying to found homebrew and never luck. But I found a site that has over 100 updated things and it rocks now. I installed: Psps go clock, psp calculator, PSP day-view, minecraft ( had it in 2012 thought) download manager, louder xmb. And much more things. I love the psp for homebrew. Not too much for the pirate games. There really isn't many great games. I own the legal copy of GTA vc and LC.