[ultimatek]

Originally Posted by Theeze What's up with all the caps? If you want to make a point, you can make it without coming off as annoying. We know it will be based on x86, we're talking about the possibilities it can provide IF hacked, no one said it would be easy. The ones claiming it to be easy as pie aren't tech savvy. I for example made a comment about if it were hacked as a few others did. You should mention the ones instead of caps locking buddy. You don't want to be one of those people.

lol, i read better with caps...fixed now. anyhow once the access to the system has been gained it should be easy to trick the system, thats what i meant, specially under x86. It's not like it will be easy as a pie, but for the ones with enough knowledge will be. See, the ps3 scene got delayed cuz of the cell cpu architechture...was different, it took time for developers to master the code, so the same for others, it took time for hackers and pirates to unlock it...as every new language...it just takes time. But x86 is a very well know language....in fact is the defacto language in computing science. Just look the 360, with the jtag/reset glitch hack, it opened the system to unlimited possibilities, no need for drive, no need for dashboard, no need at all, it is just open to anything based on x86... so imagine the power of the ps4 fully opened....just imagine....

check the original xbox...just one single homebrew XBMC, made it almost more popular than halo...

[NTA]

can't remember the last time i played a console or handheld with no digital form of digital distribution haha. even 3ds roms exist although there doesn't seem to be public support on flash cards yet

[stevorkz]

I think that sony went with x86 for 2 reasons. One is because its easier to develop on and the other is its cheaper.

Im sure that they would crap in there pants if ps4 gets hacked because it would probably be as open as the original xbox with that x86 architecture

[DEFAULTDNB]

Late to the party here:

If PS4 gets hacked > build backup loader with loading time delay (per/game based on loading times of the original) > beat the front page diagram.

[General Plot]

Originally Posted by ViperMM Plot, F*** you very much as always. The architecture has everything to do with reversal being easy. How many people avidly know PowerPC architecture versus good ole x86? And for those of you who do know x86 Tell Mr. Plot to nop 0x90. Also Plot the fact that you bring up the Piracy thing is silly. The fact of the matter remains the XboX was hacked because of homebrew and it was x86 making it both a great target and an excellent set top box, now it's time peoples set top boxes get a good upgrade.

Awww, sounds like you got a little butt hurt there. So you're saying x86 is vulnerable due to it's hardware? That's funny, I don't remember Linux systems being as vulnerable as Windows machines (which is why most servers don't use Windows). And the only holes you'll find on a Linux box are in the software running on the platform, and has NOTHING to do with the fact it's x86. If that were the case, you'd see alot more servers running on PowerPC and other platforms.

Originally Posted by ViperMM PS: Also Plot the Ps4 is currently slated to have more ram than the PC setup in your signature. I also surmise it will be cheaper.

Oh wow, I really NEED two more gigs. Even though I've never even used half my available memory on any occasion.

Originally Posted by ViperMM I'm sure Plot will come back with something like... we know some people pirate things on our emulator, however we have evidence Sony employees have used it. Anyways, I think this new patent probably isn't all that new considering the way Sony works. I do think them filing a patent definately makes this new to John Q. Public and makes this good to discuss and be in our news. :P

I love how you keep coming back to me, like you can't get me off your mind. Here's a handy tip: get in the bathtub and get the sand out of your vagina. Then come back and see if you can handle a discussion without throwing a tantrum.

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin The amount of people that use PCSX2, how many do you think use it with legit software VS those who use it with stolen software ? Statistically speaking, most people who use Emulators do so with stolen software.

We can't control how people use our software, BUT we give no support for using downloaded games. In fact, our forum rules state that when someone is found to be asking for help with pirated games, they get one warning and their thread is immediately closed. Second time, they're permanently banned. Any member found trying to help that person is treated the same way (first time warned, second time banned).

Originally Posted by stevorkz School you? Really? lol. You should try not to automatically look for ways to take offense from peoples posts. Nothing i said in my post was meant to offend you. Unless you actually learnt something from what I said and that was subconsciously too much for your pride to handle?.

I didn't take offense, I was pointing out that I don't need lecturing on the subject, which is what you were trying to do:

Originally Posted by stevorkz If you don't see the need for opening a console up that you paid hard earned cash for, just because it has a x86 architecture like most computers, then you dont have to. But in that case you definitely haven't realized what hacking devices is all about yet.

Originally Posted by AsimLeonheart It is very difficult for you to imagine lives and circumstances of people in third world countries. I can buy a $300 console... AFTER SAVING BIT BY BIT FOR A FEW YEARS but I just cannot spend $60 even only two or three times a year to buy games because that is equal to the livelihood of my family for two months. Hell, I managed to buy my PS3 160GB just recently in August 2011 for $320 even though I had been wanting to buy one since launch. It is easy to say such things but only those who live in such countries truly understand the situation. There are no used game stores, game rental stores, Ebay, Google Play, Amazon, Paypal or any other such luxuries in my country. The few legitimate games available on local stores are imported/smuggled and are sold for premium prices which are even higher than $60. I cant even find the game I want because shop owners only keep 4 or 5 titles at a time. They just cannot afford to keep all the latest and popular titles on stores. I am one of the most priveledged in my country being a university graduate, being able to speak/write English, financially well-off than 90% of the population but even I cannot afford to buy a couple of legitimate games without raising some eyebrows at my home. Just because we do not have the money like the people in first world countries does not means we do not desire or deserve the joys of life. By your logic it means if a person cannot afford to buy food then he deserves to die of hunger instead of stealing it to stay alive. Like I said before, only a person who lives in poverty can understand the problems of the poor. I am sorry if I have said anything to offend you; I just wanted you to understand my situation and why I cant buy legitimate games.

Then get a subscription to PSN+ or wait until prices come down. If that's still too much, then maybe you shouldn't have bought a console you couldn't afford games for? You can't compare it to stealing food if you're hungry. It's a games console, ie: a luxury. You don't need a PS3 to live, and it won't put dinner on your table to have one.

Anywho, I know there's alot of haters on here that can't stand me telling it how it is. People looking for a free ride and praying the next console will let them keep stealing material. That's all almost anyone seems to care about these days. Well, I stand by my hopes in the PS4 never being hacked. Like it or lump it, I don't care. I'm not here to please anyone, but have just as much a right to my opinion and hopes as the next guy.

[stevorkz]

Originally Posted by General Plot I'm not here to please anyone, but have just as much a right to my opinion and hopes as the next guy.

Thats weird because all I was doing earlier was giving my opinion and suddenly I was apparently trying to lecture people by doing so, so how is what you are doing any different?

Fair enough, an opinion is an opinion as you say. In that case mine still stands (sits behind large swathes of rights):

Anyone who doesn't want consoles to be unlocked solely because of the piracy factor, like sony, doesn't understand the bigger picture with regards to what console hacking is really representing. I cant put it more simpler than that

[CrazyLinuxNerd]

This will harm legit customers, and not piracy..

Pirates will by-pass, and legit customers will get penalized.. Here's why:

If you damage your media, but not to the extent of completely not working, it may cause minor read errors, and thus slow down loading time. If the aforementioned system is to be implemented it would block this media based on the fact it's loading a little slower.

Furthermore, if your media reader is slightly aged, after some time the laser can ware out. As such again, media will be blocked due to slower reading times. In this situation you will not be able to load any media...

[smf]

Originally Posted by Wolfie708 It doesn't actually. It makes it illegal (that word in itself is dubious at best in this instance) to circumvent any methods put in place to deter piracy etc.

And DRM is a method put in place to deter piracy.

"It criminalizes production and dissemination of technology, devices, or services intended to circumvent measures (commonly known as digital rights management or DRM) that control access to copyrighted works. It also criminalizes the act of circumventing an access control, whether or not there is actual infringement of copyright itself"

Ok I'm being lazy and that is from Wikipedia, if you want to disprove it by reading the DMCA yourself then go ahead.

[DEFAULTDNB]

Originally Posted by CrazyLinuxNerd This will harm legit customers, and not piracy.. Pirates will by-pass, and legit customers will get penalized.. Here's why: If you damage your media, but not to the extent of completely not working, it may cause minor read errors, and thus slow down loading time. If the aforementioned system is to be implemented it would block this media based on the fact it's loading a little slower. Furthermore, if your media reader is slightly aged, after some time the laser can ware out. As such again, media will be blocked due to slower reading times. In this situation you will not be able to load any media...

The way I read it was that they were looking for stupidly-faster-than-normal loading speeds... not slower.

USB loading is always faster than drive, I presumed they were looking to spot that

[CrazyLinuxNerd]

Originally Posted by DEFAULTDNB The way I read it was that they were looking for stupidly-faster-than-normal loading speeds... not slower. USB loading is always faster than drive, I presumed they were looking to spot that

It would seem that.

However they mention "range" which typically has both a minimum and a maximum load time. Thus, if it does not load within it's minimum time, it should block it.

If it does not, they have not specified their patent clear enough.