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Originally Posted by joe007 wont the fact the ps4 is based on pc hardware mean it will be easier to crack?

No, the PS3 is based on PowerPC which was used in Apple Macs for years & that didn't help.

If they do their job properly and encrypt ram and all the code and don't make any code signing bugs (both the Wii & PS3 had mistakes in code signing) then it will be pretty tough to break.

Game exploits using hacked saves should be possible to defend against using techniques developed for Windows/Linux/MacOS. Things like buffer overflow exploits can be stopped using stack randomisation, no execute bit, write protected code areas etc.

Protection against glitching attacks can be designed in, it depends on how much money they are willing to spend.

They have the whole world of hackers to learn from when designing their security. It all depends on the quality of the work they do. We can't know that until it's done.

Originally Posted by General Plot Awww, sounds like you got a little butt hurt there. So you're saying x86 is vulnerable due to it's hardware? That's funny, I don't remember Linux systems being as vulnerable as Windows machines (which is why most servers don't use Windows). And the only holes you'll find on a Linux box are in the software running on the platform, and has NOTHING to do with the fact it's x86. If that were the case, you'd see alot more servers running on PowerPC and other platforms.

Linux systems are pretty vunerable too, servers get hacked all the time but you tend not to hear about it unless they are forced to disclose. MacOS is worse. The weakness here is that they are designed to be accessed remotely in ways that consoles are not, so it's not really as relevant.

Computer security is completely different to console security. With computer security if you don't want someone to physically tamper with the hardware then you lock it up. With a console they never want you to physically tamper with it.

You can run your own software on any PC no matter how much it's locked down, just plug in a bootable flash drive or insert a live iso and you're done. If they try to make it harder by not including usb or ide/sata ports or making them non bootable then reprogram the flash bios. Even the xbox had hardware protection against that by including the boot code on the southbridge die. Things have moved on since then, don't expect the same exploits to work on the next xbox and PS4 as you had on the xbox.

The advantage of the xbox for hacking wasn't that it was X86, it was that it had a fast CPU and a harddrive. The PS2 had a slower CPU and the hard drive was optional and it was quite rare for people to have one.

Originally Posted by CrazyLinuxNerd It would seem that. However they mention "range" which typically has both a minimum and a maximum load time. Thus, if it does not load within it's minimum time, it should block it. If it does not, they have not specified their patent clear enough.

You're assuming something about the range. The drive will give up after a certain amount of time, their slowest speed could just be based on that. The timeout and retry mechanism might also be integrated in with this system.

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I agree with most other folks on here when I say it will not stop. Granted things will change, but so long as media exists, so will pirated and counterfeit media. Again, it'll just be a bit harder and require someone smarter than before, to do it.

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Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin We all know that piracy goes with games consoles, smart hackers always manage to somehow circumvent ... [Read More]

Very true.. Piracy will always be around.

[ZOMBIEKILLAH]

Originally Posted by cboushell No one is forcing you to buy any of these products that are causing you to have a mental breakdown here in front of us. If you don't like a product or manufacturer of a product, don't buy it. The solution to your problem with these companies is simple, don't support them, and that actually seems to be what you are suggesting, the problem is you don't seem to be able to resist the products they make, and therefore are unable to live by the beliefs you espouse. One last thing guy, the word is "our" not "are". And to those who seem to think that this guy knows his s**t, as you put it, can you please tell me what makes you feel like this. Please point out his huge pearls of knowledge.

Maybe if your brain was bigger than a nutshell, you would not be so blind to see the big picture beyond this thread of piracy nonsense. It will never stop, they will have to shut down the internet. I need to say nothing more, it is obvious you do not follow piracy related drama since the last +decade/s. Corporations who claim that piracy is hurting there income, when they making more money now they ever did is ridiculous. They only want to get every dime from us while limiting & controlling your enjoyment ,watching, logging your personal life. There was no piracy talk is hurting there revenues when movies /gaming was offline but, it was still happening smart a33 ! They themselves have hurt there own revenues & yes people should boycotted them , show them what it is really like to lose profits /revenue for not changing there ways of distribution/prices/DRM plastered on everything. It is 2013 not 1970s ,get with it, people want thing fast & there way ,more options less limits !

They do not meet peoples needs people will hack ! They want to use lies, violate are privacy with new made up laws, monitor people of the net over lies of loss income. This affects everyone you A$$hole ,not only people who download. I am not wasting another quote, with you few post wonders. You who probably never contributed anything but, you have ALL the answers to correct others. Another guy going around trying to be better then the other guy.

I have watched this piracy trap unfold since way before the MPAA was caught uploading fake movie torrents. Then they have the balls to sue the people who downloaded a fake file that was not even a real movie. Fake movies are not copyrighted ! I watched them setup this piracy plan of there's. It all leads up to today & how the internet is being disrupted ,silenced ,censored ,sites taken offline, by the 100,000s ! They want to control over everything , not only offline world anymore pal. They can not get enough money from the offline world ,so now they want to hunt people online & sue them for the only thing they could sue for "PIRACY CONSPIRACY'S" This word piracy is there weapon.

Get a life pal & Sony is no better than the MPAA. Sony is controlling company who has caused grief to many PS3 owners with there ultimatums. You are obviously a person who does not care to be ruled or fight for your freedom & bends over ,so i will not stop you from from taking it dry in the future. While great sites vanish & you are censored over a lies "piracy". This will be cause of the blind leading the blind & you will be it's leader !

It is the ones who take the abuse from others who get walked on in life. Well that is defiantly not me, so here is me telling you to ???? off & stick your correction where the sun do not shine. When you have read piratically every article relating the words piracy & see through the lies & realize it is all crap. Until then the question marks in blue are for you.

Another lie from a corporation who had almost failed like Sega in console wars. Now cries piracy like the rest to blame the people of the internet for there own failure!

 Nintendo Wants to Hunt Down Game Pirates and Block Websites

Educate yourself a$$ wipe, cause you obviously do not care where all this piracy talk is leading to !

http://torrentfreak.com/nintendo-wan...bsites-130225/

Copyright trolls started a war they can not win & the only way to stop piracy/online piracy is to shut down the entire internet = Everybody loses then & they lose even more "money" !

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Originally Posted by smf Linux systems are pretty vunerable too, servers get hacked all the time but you tend not to hear about it unless they are forced to disclose. MacOS is worse. The weakness here is that they are designed to be accessed remotely in ways that consoles are not, so it's not really as relevant.

Depends on the distro. In it's core, Red Hat Enterprise is heaps more secure than your typical Windows server. And indeed, you can't compare consoles to PC's, as a PC BIOS is designed with much more user configuration (boot devices, hardware settings, etc...), whereas a console won't even have the option to enter any sort of CMOS settings. Not to mention that while the architecture is very common, you can bet the software will be extremely proprietary and specifically written for the hardware.

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Originally Posted by ZOMBIEKILLAH Sony is controlling company who has caused grief to many PS3 owners with there ultimatums.

If Sony has caused you any grief at all then you probably ought to re-evaluate your life.

Originally Posted by General Plot Depends on the distro. In it's core, Red Hat Enterprise is heaps more secure than your typical Windows server. And indeed, you can't compare consoles to PC's, as a PC BIOS is designed with much more user configuration (boot devices, hardware settings, etc...), whereas a console won't even have the option to enter any sort of CMOS settings. Not to mention that while the architecture is very common, you can bet the software will be extremely proprietary and specifically written for the hardware.

If you are expecting the chip that AMD are supplying to be an off the shelf processor with no hardware support for protection, then I think you will be surprised.

The Wii & PS3 IPL still can't be changed, if they hadn't made mistakes in the IPL then neither console would have been hacked to the same level. The PS4 is likely to be more secure because they've had hackers telling them what they've been doing wrong. They've even managed to close down hacks on the super slim PS3.

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Originally Posted by smf If you are expecting the chip that AMD are supplying to be an off the shelf processor with no hardware support for protection, then I think you will be surprised.

On the contrary, I expect it will be a specialized APU with built in forms of security on the chip. I wouldn't expect that Sony would rely solely on software to protect the system.

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Originally Posted by smf If Sony has caused you any grief at all then you probably ought to re-evaluate your life.

Perhaps you should re_evaluate your facts before telling someone to re-evaluate their life just because sony is giving them grief.

Reality check : Half this site doesn't like sony after all the crap they've caught on with their customers in the last few years. Trust me when I say this, @ZOMBIEKILLAH is not the only one that doesn't like sony. There is an army out there

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Dont worry guys we have smart Hackers:=

* Rogero [Famous for 4.21,4.30 CFW ]

* Rebug [Famous for Toggle QA ]

* Deank [Famous for Awesome Backupmanger "Multiman"]

* or May be George hotz back to Playstaion Scene


"hope Anybody explore PS4 "

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Originally Posted by smf If they do their job properly and encrypt ram and all the code and don't make any code signing bugs (both the Wii & PS3 had mistakes in code signing) then it will be pretty tough to break. Game exploits using hacked saves should be possible to defend against using techniques developed for Windows/Linux/MacOS. Things like buffer overflow exploits can be stopped using stack randomisation, no execute bit, write protected code areas etc. The advantage of the xbox for hacking wasn't that it was X86, it was that it had a fast CPU and a harddrive. The PS2 had a slower CPU and the hard drive was optional and it was quite rare for people to have one.

I highly doubt Sony will encrypt the RAM on a device that is this dependent on both cost and speed. Buffer Overflows being stopped by stack randomization is laughable. Currently both DEP and ASLR (yeah i know pc based but they would be based offf similar technology) are very easy to defeat. No execute bit and write protected areas could both be defeated by a simple jmp or a nop slide. If the only advantage that got the XboX hacked was fast CPU and harddrive then I'm positive this will have both and be x86 assembly compliant on top of those. Not too mention the huge community out there that knows how to rock systems like these. The fact that people think the Ps4 shouldn't or can't be hacked just shows the same drama queens that wrecked the Ps3 scene will ruin the Ps4 scene. Plot this was aimed at you and people like you I will be happy to see you cause drama in the next scene. I will be there too and will flog your ass every step of the way just like in this one. To the rest of you thanks for creating drama on a scene that doesn't even exist yet.