[Theeze]

Originally Posted by apollo18 Dont worry guys we have smart Hackers:= * Rogero [Famous for 4.21,4.30 CFW ] * Rebug [Famous for Toggle QA ] * Deank [Famous for Awesome Backupmanger "Multiman"] * or May be George hotz back to Playstaion Scene "hope Anybody explore PS4 "

All the people you mentioned except geohot are devs and had little or nothing to do with the jailbreak being possible. All the ones that made it possible either left or got trashed by Sony.

Real hackers who made the scene possible.

Geohot, Graf-chokolo and yes to some extent mathieulh (even though I don't like the guy)...and the fail0verflow guys.

Unless the devs from the xbox scene take a jab at the ps4, the scene will be held hostage by greed and selfishness.

[General Plot]

Originally Posted by ViperMM The fact that people think the Ps4 shouldn't or can't be hacked just shows the same drama queens that wrecked the Ps3 scene will ruin the Ps4 scene. Plot this was aimed at you and people like you I will be happy to see you cause drama in the next scene. I will be there too and will flog your ass every step of the way just like in this one. To the rest of you thanks for creating drama on a scene that doesn't even exist yet.

I see you're still thinking about me. It's kinda gay to keep a guy on your mind this long, isn't it? Anywho, this song goes out to you.

South Park- Shut Your Face Uncle F**ker (official) - YouTube

[stuck?]

All debates about whomever's penis is the best/biggest should be kept on IRC and not in the forums

[Wolfie708]

Originally Posted by stuck? All debates about whomever's penis is the best/biggest should be kept on IRC and not in the forums

I agree............. Pointless to argue anyway as mine is most obviously the biggest

[stevorkz]

Originally Posted by ViperMM To the rest of you thanks for creating drama on a scene that doesn't even exist yet.

There has been drama for a considerable amount of time regarding next gen consoles.

[Solotime]

Why so much hate in here? Where's the love at?

p.s free hug's on me

[smf]

Originally Posted by ViperMM I highly doubt Sony will encrypt the RAM on a device that is this dependent on both cost and speed. Buffer Overflows being stopped by stack randomization is laughable. Currently both DEP and ASLR (yeah i know pc based but they would be based offf similar technology) are very easy to defeat. No execute bit and write protected areas could both be defeated by a simple jmp or a nop slide. If the only advantage that got the XboX hacked was fast CPU and harddrive then I'm positive this will have both and be x86 assembly compliant on top of those. Not too mention the huge community out there that knows how to rock systems like these.

The xbox 360 has encrypted ram & it's seven years old.

I'm not sure how you will achieve a jmp or nop slide when you can't write to executable memory and you can't execute writable memory.

If they make ALSR mandatory across all modules including the OS then ROP will be useless too. If the memory is encrypted well then you won't have access to a memory dump to disassemble the code, so you won't even know what code you could jump to.

Nobody knows how to "rock systems like these" as they aren't out yet.

I think it's laughable that people think that someone will magically hack it & stick it to the man, when there is still no 3DS homebrew & DSi homebrew is very limited. For sodukuhax you had to have bought the game before it was pulled, which it was within 24hours of the exploit being released or you have to buy a cyclods ievolution which isn't supported on the latest firmware. Both of these are limited to what hardware you can access because the security is still very much in place. The PSVita is in a similar position, the games required get pulled as soon as they are exploited and you can't update your firmware which limits what you can do with the console.

I'd expect to see Wii-U native homebrew before the PS4 is hacked.

[AsimLeonheart]

Originally Posted by cboushell No one is forcing you to buy any of these products that are causing you to have a mental breakdown here in front of us. If you don't like a product or manufacturer of a product, don't buy it. The solution to your problem with these companies is simple, don't support them, and that actually seems to be what you are suggesting, the problem is you don't seem to be able to resist the products they make, and therefore are unable to live by the beliefs you espouse. One last thing guy, the word is "our" not "are". And to those who seem to think that this guy knows his s**t, as you put it, can you please tell me what makes you feel like this. Please point out his huge pearls of knowledge. ************* [ - Post Merged - ] ************* Hey if you can't afford a car steal your neighbors, if the girl you like won't f**k you rape her, if your wife can't have children there is always kidnapping. Your sense of entitlement is sickening. If there is something I can't afford I go without especially something as trivial and unnecessary as a videogame. When the horny, hungry, and tired of walking guy from the end of your street comes in your home rapes your wife/mother and or children, eats your food, then drives off in your car I'm glad to know you won't have a problem with any of it. Good day.

Downloading a videogame is not the same as the analogies you are giving. It does not causes suffering to any human being especially when millions of units of the game are being sold already. If I downloaded Assasin's Creed III or some other blockbuster title then did it put anybody out of business? I have only two options; either download a pirated copy to play or do not play at all. The company isn't getting anything in both cases so what is the harm to anyone if I downloaded?
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Originally Posted by General Plot Awww, sounds like you got a little butt hurt there. So you're saying x86 is vulnerable due to it's hardware? That's funny, I don't remember Linux systems being as vulnerable as Windows machines (which is why most servers don't use Windows). And the only holes you'll find on a Linux box are in the software running on the platform, and has NOTHING to do with the fact it's x86. If that were the case, you'd see alot more servers running on PowerPC and other platforms. Oh wow, I really NEED two more gigs. Even though I've never even used half my available memory on any occasion. I love how you keep coming back to me, like you can't get me off your mind. Here's a handy tip: get in the bathtub and get the sand out of your vagina. Then come back and see if you can handle a discussion without throwing a tantrum. We can't control how people use our software, BUT we give no support for using downloaded games. In fact, our forum rules state that when someone is found to be asking for help with pirated games, they get one warning and their thread is immediately closed. Second time, they're permanently banned. Any member found trying to help that person is treated the same way (first time warned, second time banned). I didn't take offense, I was pointing out that I don't need lecturing on the subject, which is what you were trying to do: Then get a subscription to PSN+ or wait until prices come down. If that's still too much, then maybe you shouldn't have bought a console you couldn't afford games for? You can't compare it to stealing food if you're hungry. It's a games console, ie: a luxury. You don't need a PS3 to live, and it won't put dinner on your table to have one. Anywho, I know there's alot of haters on here that can't stand me telling it how it is. People looking for a free ride and praying the next console will let them keep stealing material. That's all almost anyone seems to care about these days. Well, I stand by my hopes in the PS4 never being hacked. Like it or lump it, I don't care. I'm not here to please anyone, but have just as much a right to my opinion and hopes as the next guy.

Man, you are just too ignorant. How do you suppose I will get a PSN+ membership? There is no international payment system in my country! This the problem! People living in the first world countries cannot even imagine what we are going through! Moreover, downloading a game is not similar to stealing from an individual. Millions of legitimate copies are already being sold so no harm is being caused if I downloaded a single copy over here in Asia where the console was not even launched! I only have two options, either I download a backup copy or do not play at all. In both cases the company will not get any money from me. So what harm did I cause to anyone if I downloaded a copy? The harm will only be done if I can buy it and I do not buy it. At least buying a console adds up to the consoles sold you know. The reason PS2 and XBOX360 sold so well was because they were easily pirated and many kids/guys over here in Asia have one. In case of PS3 nobody could afford it so the sales have been low. If I do not buy a console like you suggested then I will be causing harm to the company by denying them a sale. Like I said earlier I have only two options either download or do not buy the console so what difference does it makes to the company? They wont be getting my money in both cases. On the contrary, if I do not buy the console at all then the company will be deprived of a console sale and I will be denied joy/pleasure. Not buying the console at all instead causes more harm to Sony and suffering to a human in case of Asia. Maybe if you broaden your horizons and mind a little more, you will understand the predicament of billions who are not living a luxurious life in the west. It is very easy to call somebody "entitled" or telling not buy the console at all but only a have-not can understand the suffering of being depraved who has to suffer just because he was born in the wrong/poor country.

[stevorkz]

Originally Posted by cboushell Hey if you can't afford a car steal your neighbors, if the girl you like won't f**k you rape her, if your wife can't have children there is always kidnapping. Your sense of entitlement is sickening. If there is something I can't afford I go without especially something as trivial and unnecessary as a videogame. When the horny, hungry, and tired of walking guy from the end of your street comes in your home rapes your wife/mother and or children, eats your food, then drives off in your car I'm glad to know you won't have a problem with any of it. Good day.

That is without a doubt, the worst analogy to explain software piracy. How on earth can you compare copying video games to rape?

Yet you find ones sense of entitlement sickening. LOL!

[General Plot]

Originally Posted by AsimLeonheart Man, you are just too ignorant. How do you suppose I will get a PSN+ membership? There is no international payment system in my country! This the problem! People living in the first world countries cannot even imagine what we are going through! Moreover, downloading a game is not similar to stealing from an individual. Millions of legitimate copies are already being sold so no harm is being caused if I downloaded a single copy over here in Asia where the console was not even launched! I only have two options, either I download a backup copy or do not play at all. In both cases the company will not get any money from me. So what harm did I cause to anyone if I downloaded a copy? The harm will only be done if I can buy it and I do not buy it. At least buying a console adds up to the consoles sold you know. The reason PS2 and XBOX360 sold so well was because they were easily pirated and many kids/guys over here in Asia have one. In case of PS3 nobody could afford it so the sales have been low. If I do not buy a console like you suggested then I will be causing harm to the company by denying them a sale. Like I said earlier I have only two options either download or do not buy the console so what difference does it makes to the company? They wont be getting my money in both cases. On the contrary, if I do not buy the console at all then the company will be deprived of a console sale and I will be denied joy/pleasure. Not buying the console at all instead causes more harm to Sony and suffering to a human in case of Asia. Maybe if you broaden your horizons and mind a little more, you will understand the predicament of billions who are not living a luxurious life in the west. It is very easy to call somebody "entitled" or telling not buy the console at all but only a have-not can understand the suffering of being depraved who has to suffer just because he was born in the wrong/poor country.

There are sites you can buy PSN cards from. Buy a US card and make a US PSN account, redeem the card on there and voila: you can buy a PS+ subscription. And I'm sorry, but not being able to have games is not "suffering".