[harryoke]

Originally Posted by General Plot Regardless on what your view of people is, it doesn't mean you know everything there is know about each person. I made a conscious decision back during the days of napster that piracy was just something I was not going to be a part of. Every piece of software or media that I own or have ever owned has been in my possession legitimately. Piracy is a major pet peeve of mine and always has been. I would have thought for as long as you've known me that you would know that much about me. You can't just claim that because I'm involved in this community that is automatically proof of guilt. PCSX2 is a project that would exist whether or not I was part of it. In fact, I didn't get into it until the version 0.7 days (which is almost 4 years after it's initial release). And with an emulator project, you don't get to choose who can use it and how they use it. You either make it available or you don't.

So you are from Plymouth and you're not a pirate....that's like a Welshman who dosnt like sheep or a Scotsman that dosnt drink....and I don't believe you for a second

[Theeze]

@General Plot

You've never downloaded a song? movie? roms?

Hard to imagine when you're clearly on a site called ps3hax or beta testing an emulator where it's purpose is to play isos. Never jailbroken an iOS device? Or root an android device?

To say you've never pirated anything in your life is a pretty bold statement.

[General Plot]

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin So you are saying that you have never downloaded a Rom for Snes, Nes, Mega Drive, C64 or any of the Emulators that use Roms ? Because if you have never used an Emulator or Rom, then you've missed out on a lot of fun, i personally don't download games for the PS3, Xbox 360 or Wii, but i am guilty of downloading Roms for Snes, Mega Drive and a few other Emulators and i find it extremely hard to believe that there would be anyone in this entire forum who hasn't.

Actually with 8/16 bit gaming, I've always preferred the original machines. I still have my Sega CDX (which is a combo Genesis/Megadrive and SegaCD/MegaCD). To be honest though, I haven't touched a game from that era in almost a decade.

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin I have never seen you use a Pirated PS2 game on your Emulator, but i do find it extremely hard to believe that you have never used another Emulator in your entire life, one that requires roms

The only emulators I ever got into were EPSXE, NullDC, Chankast, etc... And they all have the ability to use original games.

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin Im not judging you, just trying to make sense of your statement about not wanting the PS4 to be hacked, which is something i never thought you would say.

I know. I hear myself saying it, and it makes me cringe, but we both know the only real development in the PS3 scene are new backup managers. Compare it to the 360 scene, which actually has more than piracy on it's side. It's why I took my 3.55 KMEAW and put it on OFW. There just wasn't anything there for people like me who weren't in it for the piracy aspect.

Originally Posted by harryoke So you are from Plymouth and you're not a pirate....that's like a Welshman who dosnt like sheep or a Scotsman that dosnt drink....and I don't believe you for a second

I'm originally a New Yorker and only moved here a few years ago. That said, location has nothing to do with it.

Originally Posted by Theeze You've never downloaded a song? movie? roms?

Only ones I've bought (ie: itunes).

Originally Posted by Theeze Hard to imagine when you're clearly on a site called ps3hax or beta testing an emulator where it's purpose is to play isos. Never jailbroken an iOS device? Or root an android device?

Believe it or not there are ethical users of emulators and hacked consoles. I jailbroke my iphone 5. And you know what's on it? I bought IntelliscreenX, put some of my own ringtones on it, got SBSettings and kill background. That's it. All my apps on it are paid for.

Originally Posted by Theeze To say you've never pirated anything in your life is a pretty bold statement.

It's one I can sincerely make.

[stevorkz]

Originally Posted by General Plot PCSX2 is a project that would exist whether or not I was part of it. In fact, I didn't get into it until the version 0.7 days (which is almost 4 years after it's initial release). And with an emulator project, you don't get to choose who can use it and how they use it. You either make it available or you don't.

The point is, whether you started PCSX2 or not, the fact that you contributed to it in anyway means you contributed to piracy as 90% of PCSX2 users are pirates.

Its not at all meant to be personal, we're just trying to bring to light the irony of your views with the ps4

[harryoke]

Originally Posted by General Plot Actually with 8/16 bit gaming, I've always preferred the original machines. I still have my Sega CDX (which is a combo Genesis/Megadrive and SegaCD/MegaCD). To be honest though, I haven't touched a game from that era in almost a decade. The only emulators I ever got into were EPSXE, NullDC, Chankast, etc... And they all have the ability to use original games. I know. I hear myself saying it, and it makes me cringe, but we both know the only real development in the PS3 scene are new backup managers. Compare it to the 360 scene, which actually has more than piracy on it's side. It's why I took my 3.55 KMEAW and put it on OFW. There just wasn't anything there for people like me who weren't in it for the piracy aspect. I'm originally a New Yorker and only moved here a few years ago. That said, location has nothing to do with it. Only ones I've bought (ie: itunes). Believe it or not there are ethical users of emulators and hacked consoles. I jailbroke my iphone 5. And you know what's on it? I bought IntelliscreenX, put some of my own ringtones on it, got SBSettings and kill background. That's it. All my apps on it are paid for. It's one I can sincerely make.

And you can tell your a yank as you don't get British humour
(my daughter says I'm not worthy to talk to you as she loves Americans and her favourite place is new york)

[General Plot]

Originally Posted by harryoke And you can tell your a yank as you don't get British humour (my daughter says I'm not worthy to talk to you as she loves Americans and her favourite place is new york)

Funny thing is, I moved here to marry the lead developer of PCSX2's sister. Crazy as it seems, me and refraction got to be good friends back when I first got into the project (which was around 2005) and it eventually led to me coming here to meet his sister in 2007, and the next year I moved here to marry her.

[stuck?]

in the words of Happy Gilmore:

"Gold jacket, green jacket? Who gives a shit!" That's basically my thought on the back and forth aspect of who pirates and who doesn't and why not.

This whole cloud gaming thing just may thwart piracy for a little while. Only time will tell; and nothing is even out yet so all of our claims and thoughts are just here say at the moment. For all we know, we could all be wrong.

[malex]

Originally Posted by Solotime Why so much hate in here? Where's the love at? p.s free hug's on me

Love? I think it died with f/w 3.15

I think we're assuming too much here. Seems that people are willing to bet their left testicle that the ps4 will be difficult or easy to hack... I have no such faith either way, but what I do have faith in is that it will most certainly NOT be impossible. Actually, going by what history has taught us, it will eventually get hacked; of course there's always a first time (assuming it doesn't get hacked), but for the time being I'm thinking it will just take a few (2 - 3) years.

On another note, let's get it out of our heads that piracy is understandable. It's not, and though sony/ms/ninty and the d*uche publishers deserve it, it's not our place to bring down the karmic hammer on them. By no means am I asking anyone to stop pirating though, I personally get a kick out of people who don't buy ps3 games; makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside, like a shot of whiskey.

I do agree with @General Plot on one thing, and that is what I perceive our mutual dislike for warez kiddies. I despise these little pr*cks that have this mistaken sense of entitlement, and that will call any contribution junk as long as it doesn't help them play their isoz.

[ViperMM]

Originally Posted by malex On another note, let's get it out of our heads that piracy is understandable. It's not, and though sony/ms/ninty and the d*uche publishers deserve it, it's not our place to bring down the karmic hammer on them. By no means am I asking anyone to stop pirating though, I personally get a kick out of people who don't buy ps3 games; makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside, like a shot of whiskey.

I don't think they deserve it. Theft is theft in all forms. I would stake a claim it will be easy to hack, however the people who I would believe will hack it have some sense about them. The console hack will not be released right away. It will also not be an absolute thing. Example would be they will not release cex2dex for a few years after release.

[malex]

Originally Posted by ViperMM I don't think they deserve it. Theft is theft in all forms. I would stake a claim it will be easy to hack, however the people who I would believe will hack it have some sense about them. The console hack will not be released right away. It will also not be an absolute thing. Example would be they will not release cex2dex for a few years after release.

You don't believe sony deserves it? if sony were a person I would want him/her to burn in hell, be sent to heaven for 2 weeks... then dragged back down to hell, but that's just me.

I have no problems with devs holding out on the community at large, as long as it's not because they want to milk peeps. In other words, I rather they keep their secrets, than for them to release it and do like all the re-drm a-holes did... that was quite honestly the lowest thing I've seen and I hope I never have to witness something like that again.

However, 2 things I should note, I don't like/believe the innocent should be punished together with the guilty, and I don't think it's right for devs to tease the community with projects they don't intend to release. If you a dev wants to keep their project from the public, it's his right.... but don't try to dangle it in front of the community like the proverbial carrot on a stick either.